When will this shit end?

[Fuzzy Afro]

10 minutes ago, squirrelarmy said:

Go out, fuck the NHS, destroy lives 

I mean, removing the stay at home requirement doesn’t mean much if most places are still closed and we can’t visit people’s houses. Do you really think that allowing unlimited walking and meeting one friend outside is going to overwhelm the NHS?

[MrBarry465]

1 minute ago, Ozanne said:

I think they’d probably have in place the plans for schools at this stage but for things such as socialising outside I could see that being a relatively last minute call, which isn’t necessarily a bad thing. 

You'd have to think the outline on the 22nd will be 'we are opening schools on March the 8th and then at the end of March, based on the data from those schools reopening - we will go through what the next level of restrictions being lifted are'. 

[st dan]

7 minutes ago, Havors said:

Not sure where you are getting that nonsense information tbh. 

My wife. Who works on a Covid ward. 

[Havors]

 

3 minutes ago, st dan said:

My wife. Who works on a Covid ward. 

Well she certainly knows nothing about lateral flow tests. Either that or you are confusing lateral flow with PCR?

It is PCR that can test positive for up to 3 months after infection in some cases. 

Edited February 16, 2021 by Havors

[st dan]

1 minute ago, Havors said:

 

Well she certainly knows nothing about lateral flow tests. Either that or you are confusing lateral flow with PCR. 

To back this up:

https://www.england.nhs.uk/coronavirus/wp-content/uploads/sites/52/2020/11/C0913-lateral-flow-antien-test-trust-faqs-v3-jan-2021.pdf

Not sure if it’s totally necessary, but it’s the guidelines the NHS are giving out.

[st dan]

3 minutes ago, Havors said:

Either that or you are confusing lateral flow with PCR. 

And it’s possibly that, me getting the two mixed up. All I know is that she’s been told to stop the weekly testing all her team have to do, and that was until 90 days from her positive result. 

Edited February 16, 2021 by st dan

[Havors]

Just now, st dan said:

And it’s possibly that, me getting the two mixed up. 

Probably... the 90 days just made me realise 😄 

[eFestivals]

2 minutes ago, st dan said:

To back this up:

https://www.england.nhs.uk/coronavirus/wp-content/uploads/sites/52/2020/11/C0913-lateral-flow-antien-test-trust-faqs-v3-jan-2021.pdf

Not sure if it’s totally necessary, but it’s the guidelines the NHS are giving out.

for PCR tests within govt sites (where they're weekly testing all staff) they also say no further testing for 90 days after a positive test.

[Guest]

12 minutes ago, MrBarry465 said:

You'd have to think the outline on the 22nd will be 'we are opening schools on March the 8th and then at the end of March, based on the data from those schools reopening - we will go through what the next level of restrictions being lifted are'. 

I’m not sure, I think as they are using the term roadmap it would mean they sent out the plan with rough dates but put the caveat of they will review the data and if the virus is rising those dates will have to be pushed back. 

[st dan]

3 minutes ago, eFestivals said:

for PCR tests within govt sites (where they're weekly testing all staff) they also say no further testing for 90 days after a positive test.

So hospitals and government sites don’t yet have tests that are sensitive enough to distinguish results less than 90 days after a positive test, but we’re expecting these to be rolled out to mass events? Or will it be unluckily for you if you have had Covid within the last three months, as there is a chance you could still show a positive result and therefore not be allowed to an event - even though the rest of your life has been able to resume after 10 (as per the isolation guidelines). 

[MrBarry465]

1 minute ago, Ozanne said:

I’m not sure, I think as they are using the term roadmap it would mean they sent out the plan with rough dates but put the caveat of they will review the data and if the virus is rising those dates will have to be pushed back. 

Makes sense.

[zahidf]

Vaccine passports seem popular.

[JoeyT]

11 minutes ago, Ozanne said:

I’m not sure, I think as they are using the term roadmap it would mean they sent out the plan with rough dates but put the caveat of they will review the data and if the virus is rising those dates will have to be pushed back. 

I don't see why you think the dates will be rough but yet won't be more or less decided already?

Like I say i'm nigh on 100% certain they already know these dates and unless any data comes out showing a massive problem between now and Monday things won't be changed.

We'll find out in the next few days what's going to be said on Monday through leaks in the media which clearly indicates things have already been decided?

Edited February 16, 2021 by JoeyT

[Fuzzy Afro]

1 minute ago, zahidf said:

Vaccine passports seem popular.

Vaccine passports for social gatherings? 😂😂😂

 

 

Sorry mate, you can’t come to my house party until your left arm has been Pfizer’d 😂

[fraybentos1]

35 minutes ago, Chapple12345 said:

I've been thinking also throughout this pandemic we've been praising the amazing work done by Doctors, Professors and scientists who have saved so many lives and created the vaccines to help us... if we endlessly keep the schools shut then we are preventing all the future generations from doing jobs like this and keeping us healthy and safe should anything like this ever happen again 

This makes no sense at all. University is still starting as normal and medicine placements etc too. I agree it is an awful thing for kids and will have an impact on some development but this is hyperbolic imo.

[fraybentos1]

33 minutes ago, eFestivals said:

and the best way to find out what's safe and what isn't post-vaccinations is to test various scenarios, which we absolutely need to do (for cautions sake) in the first instance in the best conditions of summer.

Wherever we've got to by the end of summer is likely to be a place we're stuck in until next summer, as the risks from trying things start to get much greater - and is the scenario where another lockdown might need to happen.

So nothing further will be opened up after the end of summer is my bet - but that also puts some weight towards the idea that they will try out all situations this summer to find out what is safe to do.

Someone posted yesterday a 'leak' that they are planning on using fans at the FA cup/ Carabao cup as a test for the Euros I believe.

[Guest]

6 minutes ago, JoeyT said:

I don't see why you think the dates will be rough but yet won't be more or less decided already?

Like I say i'm nigh on 100% certain they already know these dates and unless any data comes out showing a massive problem between now and Monday things won't be changed.

We'll find out in the new few days what's going to be said on Monday through leaks in the media which clearly indicates things have already been decided?

Mainly because Johnson said yesterday that nothing has been agreed yet, although I suppose that could mean they have dates in mind to be fair but not set in stone yet.

By rough dates I mean that they’ll announce those to us but say they could change if cases start to rise again. 

Edited February 16, 2021 by Ozanne

[zahidf]

2 minutes ago, fraybentos1 said:

Someone posted yesterday a 'leak' that they are planning on using fans at the FA cup/ Carabao cup as a test for the Euros I believe.

Yup was in the Times. Basically they need two successfel test games for the Euros, so were going to use the FA and Cabarro cup games as those tests

[fraybentos1]

1 minute ago, zahidf said:

Yup was in the Times. Basically they need two successfel test games for the Euros, so were going to use the FA and Cabarro cup games as those tests

I hope the Euros goes ahead in some normal way. Waited most of my life for Scotland to qualify and we are all booked on going down to London for the England game. The thought of tens of thousands of us cutting about in fan parks and the like seems a distant possibility right now 😞 

[Mr.Tease]

Horrible reminder about how difficult some cases of long Covid can be, and worth keeping in mind when determining how much risk is acceptable (it's not just about deaths)

Are we due any studies in the near future on long covid (numbers, effects etc), or how the virus actually works? Seemed there were a few months and months ago but not so many lately (or I may just have missed them!)

[JoeyT]

 

[Zoo Music Girl]

3 minutes ago, Mr.Tease said:

Horrible reminder about how difficult some cases of long Covid can be, and worth keeping in mind when determining how much risk is acceptable (it's not just about deaths)

Are we due any studies in the near future on long covid (numbers, effects etc), or how the virus actually works? Seemed there were a few months and months ago but not so many lately (or I may just have missed them!)

Would be great to know the likelihood of getting long Covid if getting a mild/asymptomatic version once vaccinated. Would hope it's really low, but in the long term hopefully we will know more about that.

[zahidf]

1 minute ago, Zoo Music Girl said:

Would be great to know the likelihood of getting long Covid if getting a mild/asymptomatic version once vaccinated. Would hope it's really low, but in the long term hopefully we will know more about that.

I think Long Covid would class as severe illness which vaccine should protect against 

Long Covid is horrible and I would t wish it on anyone, but is statistically small 

Edited February 16, 2021 by zahidf

[Fuzzy Afro]

3 minutes ago, Zoo Music Girl said:

Would be great to know the likelihood of getting long Covid if getting a mild/asymptomatic version once vaccinated. Would hope it's really low, but in the long term hopefully we will know more about that.

I have read some anecdotal reports that previous long covid sufferers have seen a material improvement in their condition after receiving a vaccine. If that holds up in data then maybe we should look at pushing long covid sufferers up the queue. 

[eFestivals]

27 minutes ago, st dan said:

So hospitals and government sites don’t yet have tests that are sensitive enough to distinguish results less than 90 days after a positive test, but we’re expecting these to be rolled out to mass events?

There's a risk of a false positive if you've recently had covid - so as far as events go, it doesn't compromise them.