When will this shit end?

[steviewevie]

4 minutes ago, Fuzzy Afro said:

Why do we even need two SAGE’s? 

There is an officlal one advising the government, but that was seen as opaque back in the spring...and then there is this independent one set up as the thinking was the government was taking the wrong course and they wanted to have a more open debate about what was going on.

https://www.independentsage.org/independent-sage/

Edited January 1, 2021 by steviewevie

[zahidf]

Just now, steviewevie said:

CAlling it fake  just nullifies anything they say...because you don't like the sound of it. Actually look who they are in that group, they are not fake. Also,  Devi Sridhar is not in independent sage. Do you not like what Whitty or Vallance say either, you just keep believing all the FAKE news in telegraph and mail.

I didn't even disagree with her! She ie being vague.

They are Fake SAGE because they aren't real SAGE. But using the SAGE name to confuse people.

[zahidf]

2 minutes ago, Ozanne said:

You can't say that as child admissions are not made publicly available so the stats wouldn't say that either way.

No they are putting out hospital admission numbers by age range 

[efcfanwirral]

5 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

Some of those increases are crazy. and it's all based on the much lower case numbers of a couple of weeks ago so it's all just getting started 

[Guest]

4 minutes ago, zahidf said:

No they are putting out hospital admission numbers by age range 

I don't think that's the case, certainly not the daily or weekly admission figures anyway. I'm on the england.nhs website and it doesn't show a breakdown of age.

[steviewevie]

11 minutes ago, zahidf said:

I didn't even disagree with her! She ie being vague.

They are Fake SAGE because they aren't real SAGE. But using the SAGE name to confuse people.

but then you said she is fake sage. She isn't in independent sage, so you had that wrong.

Then you use fake sage for any scientist from that group saying anything useful, like Prof Christina Pagel, who really needs to be listened to, and not just belittled and ignored.

Edited January 1, 2021 by steviewevie

[Fuzzy Afro]

To be honest I reckon SAGE, independent SAGE, SPI-M, NERVTAG, the JCVI and SPI-B (and others?) should all be merged into a single scientific advisory body that reports into the government. Having a bunch of different groups of science hacks is unnecessarily bureaucratic and only stands to allow people like Neil Ferguson to carry on drawing a government salary even after the public are led to believe he resigned. Why not just have a single committee chaired by Whitty and Vallance? 

[steviewevie]

I really don't know why they don't delay the olympics to the autumn, too bloody hot in Tokyo in the summer anyway...

[dotdash79]

I can understand the extended dose times on the Oxford vaccine. But not the biotech one. 
 

mixing Oxford and biotech outside of a controlled study where people opt in is reckless. 

[zahidf]

21 minutes ago, Ozanne said:

I don't think that's the case, certainly not the daily or weekly admission figures anyway. I'm on the england.nhs website and it doesn't show a breakdown of age.

ONS are doing it i believe. Ill try to find it

 

 

Edited January 1, 2021 by zahidf

[zahidf]

 

[Crazyfool01]

1 hour ago, Copperface said:

It's called a 'Total Withdrawal of All Treatment' notice and they should have to wear a badge with the acronym of this so people know what to do when they are admitted or need any care.

I wonder what proportion of beds in icus are taken by pandemic deniers !! 

[Guest]

7 minutes ago, zahidf said:

ONS are doing it i believe. 

 

 

ONE figures are at least a week behind so if they do breakdown ages any possible increase in child admissions won't be seen in those figures that we can see. An MP would have more up to date stats in that regards.

[RobertProsineckisLighter]

9 minutes ago, zahidf said:

ONS are doing it i believe. Ill try to find it

 

 

 

[MrBarry465]

11 minutes ago, zahidf said:

 

Vaccines and vaccinations are 2 different things.

[zahidf]

3 minutes ago, Ozanne said:

ONE figures are at least a week behind so if they do breakdown ages any possible increase in child admissions won't be seen in those figures that we can see. An MP would have more up to date stats in that regards.

Well.. no hes quoting a radio 5 phone in. 

It could be true but its a very scary thing to be putting out there, so we probably need more evidence for it. I'm amazed he's signal boosting something like that

[steviewevie]

 

[RobertProsineckisLighter]

5 hours ago, zahidf said:

Well then we won't get out of it and its the anti vaxxers fault.

I dont see any evidence of younger people being a lot more anti vaccine.

ONS seems to have found some youngsters who are less likely to have the vaccine than older.people... 

[Guest]

5 minutes ago, RobertProsineckisLighter said:

 

Yeah like I thought, this figures are fairly aged now so publicly available data wouldn't show any rise in children admissions yet. Therefore feedback from people in hospitals is best the public are going to get for now.

[zahidf]

Just now, RobertProsineckisLighter said:

ONS seems to have found some youngsters who are less likely to have the vaccine than older.people... 

Fair enough but if we are going up to the green bar, its pretty much of a muchness in real terms

[MrBarry465]

It is good to see how positive Britains are on the vaccine and then you see the figures in France and the US. They will take much longer to escape it.

[RobertProsineckisLighter]

2 minutes ago, Ozanne said:

Yeah like I thought, this figures are fairly aged now so publicly available data wouldn't show any rise in children admissions yet. Therefore feedback from people in hospitals is best the public are going to get for now.

Except the new variant dates back till October time according to the scientists - there will undoubtedly be children in hospital with Covid. The real worry would be if the percentage of children testing positive are ending up in hospital. 

[zahidf]

2 minutes ago, Ozanne said:

Yeah like I thought, this figures are fairly aged now so publicly available data wouldn't show any rise in children admissions yet. Therefore feedback from people in hospitals is best the public are going to get for now.

I dont know. That person only knows whats happening on their one ward. It could be there's loads of children suddenly on the wards in  couple of weeks but I'd rather have hard evidence of that rather than on a phone in 

[steviewevie]

2 minutes ago, MrBarry465 said:

It is good to see how positive Britains are on the vaccine and then you see the figures in France and the US. They will take much longer to escape it.

Yeah, I wonder why that is...?

[Crazyfool01]

1 minute ago, MrBarry465 said:

It is good to see how positive Britains are on the vaccine and then you see the figures in France and the US. They will take much longer to escape it.

And I think this will only grow the more that take it as people become more confident with others having had it ... in 6 months time it won’t be such a new thing anymore