When will this shit end?

[Guest]

1 minute ago, steviewevie said:

yeah, have to see what happens next month. A big part is people's perception of what going from lockdown to Tier3 actually means...

You see quite a few experts saying that tier 3 on its own isn’t enough to get infections down to a level where we can open things fully back up again. Cases will get to a certain level and then plateau but not drop down low enough. I’ve seen some experts that say this lockdown isn’t enough. 

[JoeyT]

5 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

Hancock doing the media rounds this morning, even GMB.

I've put GMB on at work.

Piers v Hancock is always box office 

[Lycra]

30 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

but seeing how rapidly it spreads and how ill people get, I'm sure someone would have noticed something was up if we were going through a first wave last winter.

Not necessarily. Outbreaks of diseases don't start big, there's a slow drip, drip, drip effect until it gets going. Also don't forget even in China the disease was described as pneumonia until it was noticed as distinct. In the UK when the disease hit it escalated exceedingly rapidly in most of the country forcing a lockdown. This suggests the disease was circulating undetected for quite a period as it established a foothold.

[JoeyT]

I'm hopeful for a Oxford vaccine announcement this week. Looking at this if the results of the trial are positive it'll be an even bigger deal than the Pfizer results.

[Guest]

Matt Hancock is giving a press conference at 5 this evening. 

[Havors]

1 hour ago, Ozanne said:

You see quite a few experts saying that tier 3 on its own isn’t enough to get infections down to a level where we can open things fully back up again. Cases will get to a certain level and then plateau but not drop down low enough. I’ve seen some experts that say this lockdown isn’t enough. 

With 20-30k cases per day how long before you run out of people to catch it and the rate drops? 

[JoeyT]

6 minutes ago, Ozanne said:

Matt Hancock is giving a press conference at 5 this evening. 

I know it won't be this but would it be possible for any oxford vaccine news to be embargoed for the government to announce it at one of their briefings?

Thinking hypothetically but probably completely wrong...!

[circus92]

1 minute ago, JoeyT said:

I know it won't be this but would it be possible for any oxford vaccine news to be embargoed for the government to announce it at one of their briefings?

Thinking hypothetically but probably completely wrong...!

Its very possible - I was just thinking exactly the same

[Fuzzy Afro]

Just now, JoeyT said:

I know it won't be this but would it be possible for any oxford vaccine news to be embargoed for the government to announce it at one of their briefings?

Thinking hypothetically but probably completely wrong...!

Wouldn’t imagine the Oxford vaccine news is the property of the government

 

They’ve said there will be briefings every Monday and Thursday until lockdown ends 

[zahidf]

2 minutes ago, JoeyT said:

I know it won't be this but would it be possible for any oxford vaccine news to be embargoed for the government to announce it at one of their briefings?

Thinking hypothetically but probably completely wrong...!

Nah not a chance. The news of it passing regulatory approval may be embargoed until announced by the govt though

[priest17]

I hope when they drop the the lock, no matter what tieranny they put us in, they get rid of that fucking cerfew. 

[JoeyT]

5 minutes ago, zahidf said:

Nah not a chance. The news of it passing regulatory approval may be embargoed until announced by the govt though

Is it possible we'll hear of both the trial results and it being granted regulatory approval at the same time?

I think i've read that they are reviewing the safety data in a rolling manor which makes that potentially possible?

[Leyrulion]

17 minutes ago, Havors said:

With 20-30k cases per day how long before you run out of people to catch it and the rate drops? 

To get to 70% of the population having had it at that rate about 1500 days (4 years).

 

[stuartbert two hats]

9 minutes ago, priest17 said:

I hope when they drop the the lock, no matter what tieranny they put us in, they get rid of that fucking cerfew. 

Agreed, it was stupid.

Not that it's needed in Tier 3, which sadly seems like the tier needed to bring R under 0 with schools open.

[Guest]

21 minutes ago, JoeyT said:

I know it won't be this but would it be possible for any oxford vaccine news to be embargoed for the government to announce it at one of their briefings?

Thinking hypothetically but probably completely wrong...!

Johnson was going to be kicking off his Premiership again by doing weekly Press Conferences on a Monday. As he’s self isolation he can’t do that so Hancock is coming out. I imagine this is a general update on lockdown and the virus. 

[Havors]

4 minutes ago, Leyrulion said:

To get to 70% of the population having had it at that rate about 1500 days (4 years).

 

Are you counting everyone that's already had it?  Wouldn't the infection rate would drop before you got to 70%? We arent talking about herd immunity, just to get the rate to drop  

[Guest]

14 minutes ago, priest17 said:

I hope when they drop the the lock, no matter what tieranny they put us in, they get rid of that fucking cerfew. 

They should hopefully do that, although as I say I have doubts if tier 3 is enough to get numbers down really low. They might be enough for higher cases but I’m not sure if they would work when cases get lower. 

[steviewevie]

Maybe they could close schools a week or two early before christmas...it's all christmas bollocks in the last weeks of term anyway.

[steviewevie]

4 minutes ago, Havors said:

Are you counting everyone that's already had it?  Wouldn't the infection rate would drop before you got to 70%? We arent talking about herd immunity, just to get the rate to drop  

but how long does immunity last?

[squirrelarmy]

2 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

Maybe they could close schools a week or two early before christmas...it's all christmas bollocks in the last weeks of term anyway.

Then the kids are at home all day getting excited about Christmas instead of being at school out of the way. 
 

Feel sorry those parents trying to work from home.

[steviewevie]

2 minutes ago, squirrelarmy said:

Then the kids are at home all day getting excited about Christmas instead of being at school out of the way. 
 

Feel sorry those parents trying to work from home.

Well, yeah....but tough shit for having kids...right?

[Fuzzy Afro]

2 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

Well, yeah....but tough shit for having kids...right?

If anything they’re a welcome distraction from having to do work 

[squirrelarmy]

1 minute ago, steviewevie said:

Well, yeah....but tough shit for having kids...right?

I can’t complain about people having kids. They’re little shits who break beds all the time by jumping on them so people have to keep buying new beds which keeps me in employment. 

[st dan]

1 minute ago, squirrelarmy said:

I can’t complain about people having kids. They’re little shits who break beds all the time by jumping on them so people have to keep buying new beds which keeps me in employment. 

And also the act of ‘creation’ of the kids themselves keep you in employment for similar reasons? 

[squirrelarmy]

1 minute ago, st dan said:

And also the act of ‘creation’ of the kids themselves keep you in employment for similar reasons? 

I was always told that kids were delivered by a large bird. I wouldn’t know what this creation act is.