Kneecap

[Fishman]

58 minutes ago, CaledonianGonzo said:

Yeah - the Shangers one will likely have to be re-thought.  WH not so much I wouldn't have said.

 

Shangri_La is really easy to close off, though. They do it already at various points in the wee small hours.

Also, WH can be closed without too much trouble. It's been done before for, erm, Rolf.

[CaledonianGonzo]

3 minutes ago, Fishman said:

 

Shangri_La is really easy to close off, though. They do it already at various points in the wee small hours.

Also, WH can be closed without too much trouble. It's been done before for, erm, Rolf.

 

Yeah - I reckon WH stays as is.  Folk who want to be near the front will just need to get there early.

[Quark]

8 minutes ago, Fishman said:

 

Shangri_La is really easy to close off, though. They do it already at various points in the wee small hours.

Also, WH can be closed without too much trouble. It's been done before for, erm, Rolf.

Trouble with closing SL off is the whole one way system and the impact on the entire SEC.  If you've got an enormo-crowd making a beeline for SL for something like this then the whole area will be fooked.  Unless they can figure out a way to specifically funnel queues for SL and free up the rest of SEC.

 

I reckon they'll have to change the booking now.

 

EDIT: should clarify that I think the difference between this and previous SL closures is not the volume of people in there at a given time but the volume making their way there specifically for this.

Edited May 1, 2025 by Quark

[Fishman]

1 hour ago, Physical_graffiti said:

I was thinking this yesterday, I know there's probably some sort of distinction between a song lyric and something said on stage, but taken literally at face value, 'Smack my bitch up' is a disgusting statement that could be seen to encourage violence against women, which is a major problem in society and only takes one bad egg at a concert to take it literally. But we all understand it's not to be taken at face value, and noone interprets it that way.

 

I get what you're saying, but they now don't say it - it's 'Change my pitch up'. 

[Alvoram]

 

 

Edited May 1, 2025 by Alvoram

[CaledonianGonzo]

7 minutes ago, Quark said:

Trouble with closing SL off is the whole one way system and the impact on the entire SEC.  If you've got an enormo-crowd making a beeline for SL for something like this then the whole area will be fooked.  Unless they can figure out a way to specifically funnel queues for SL and free up the rest of SEC.

 

I reckon they'll have to change the booking now.

 

EDIT: should clarify that I think the difference between this and previous SL closures is not the volume of people in there at a given time but the volume making their way there specifically for this.

 

I do think, logistically, it'll be a tricky one to get right.  It doesn't vibe as manageable.

[Physical_graffiti]

3 minutes ago, Fishman said:

 

I get what you're saying, but they now don't say it - it's 'Change my pitch up'. 

yeah, I mean i don't actually find it offensive was just using that as an equivalence, in the same vein I'd assume Kneecap are no longer planning on saying "Up Hamas" 😄 

[Fishman]

7 minutes ago, Quark said:

Trouble with closing SL off is the whole one way system and the impact on the entire SEC.  If you've got an enormo-crowd making a beeline for SL for something like this then the whole area will be fooked.  Unless they can figure out a way to specifically funnel queues for SL and free up the rest of SEC.

 

I reckon they'll have to change the booking now.

 

EDIT: should clarify that I think the difference between this and previous SL closures is not the volume of people in there at a given time but the volume making their way there specifically for this.

 

Don't think so. The numbers into the SEC are already crowd controlled and then the entrance to SL is the same. Also, plenty will have ticked them off earlier at WH. 

[CaledonianGonzo]

29 minutes ago, doogie said:

Assuming they don't get pulled from the lineup, the next question is whether the BBC should stream/broadcast their set.

 

Personally I'd be very happy if they didn't.

 

The Beeb didn't censor Lankum last year, so I doubt they'll censor this.  They wouldn't have broadcast it live on terrestrial anyway even before this, and I'm sure the footage will be reviewed or delayed before it goes up on iPlayer, which I guess is usually the case.

[steviewevie]

I might go see them in WH if nothing else on I want to see...but strictly as a voyeuristic tourist, and won't bother if super busy.

[steviewevie]

21 minutes ago, Physical_graffiti said:

yeah, I mean i don't actually find it offensive was just using that as an equivalence, in the same vein I'd assume Kneecap are no longer planning on saying "Up Hamas" 😄 

The crowd certainly might though.

[Colorblindjames]

2 hours ago, doogie said:

Assuming they don't get pulled from the lineup, the next question is whether the BBC should stream/broadcast their set.

 

Personally I'd be very happy if they didn't.

Yes we wouldn’t want the centrists dads of  x location  accidentally stumbling upon their gig and feeling all uncomfortable. 

Edited May 1, 2025 by Crazyfool01

[Physical_graffiti]

26 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

The crowd certainly might though.

If you really think the prodigy crowd would get offended at the phrase "smack my bitch up" then I don't know what to say. Besides, using "the crowd might get offended" to discuss whether a band should be cancelled from the lineup quickly becomes a very slippery slope

[doogie]

Anyway, my concern is more that the band would be playing up to the cameras for shock value, and that the BBC would risk platforming terrorist sympathisers.

Edited: Removed reference to personal information. - Alvoram

Edited May 1, 2025 by Alvoram

[CaledonianGonzo]

32 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

The crowd certainly might though.

 

Nah - I'd be really surprised - in fact, that's a pretty dim view of Glastonbury attendees.  The only chanting that would likely happen would be 'Free Palestine'.  There are folk who'd claim that in itself is antisemitic or supports terrorists, but there's less of it these days like the penny's dropped on how ridiculous they sound.

[steviewevie]

19 minutes ago, Physical_graffiti said:

If you really think the prodigy crowd would get offended at the phrase "smack my bitch up" then I don't know what to say. Besides, using "the crowd might get offended" to discuss whether a band should be cancelled from the lineup quickly becomes a very slippery slope

No I said the Kneecap crowd might chant Up Hamas....strictly off the back of all this media stuff.

They also might not.

[steviewevie]

11 hours ago, doogie said:

 

Anyway, my concern is more that the band would be playing up to the cameras for shock value, and that the BBC would risk platforming terrorist sympathisers.

I'd be surprised if on the BBC live.

Edited May 1, 2025 by Alvoram

[TheDayman]

22 minutes ago, doogie said:

Anyway, my concern is more that the band would be playing up to the cameras for shock value, and that the BBC would risk platforming terrorist sympathisers.

It’s probably fair to question their use of shock value, but calling them “terrorist sympathisers” oversimplifies what they’re doing. They're political artists using provocation to challenge the dominant narratives, especially around colonialism, resistance, and state violence. If we only platform voices that never challenge the status quo, we’re not getting journalism - we’re getting PR.

[steviewevie]

Kneecap row: police assessing ‘kill MP’ and ‘up Hamas, up Hezbollah’ footage | Kneecap | The Guardian

[doogie]

7 minutes ago, Colorblindjames said:

Since they aren’t terrorist sympathisers I think the BBC and the good folk of Finchley will be fine. 

 

Even if we overlook their past comments about Hamas and Hezbollah, some would say that wearing IRA style balaclavas is sympathising with and glorifying the IRA.

[lazyred]

11 hours ago, doogie said:

 

Anyway, my concern is more that the band would be playing up to the cameras for shock value, and that the BBC would risk platforming terrorist sympathisers.

 

If Kneecap play (and they should) then it should go out on iplayer with the rest of the lineup. I'd expect them to stick to highlighting the Gaza death and destruction on the main stage. Any Hamas / Kill an MP stuff would come out in SL or a secret set.

Edited May 1, 2025 by Alvoram

[TheDayman]

17 minutes ago, doogie said:

 

Even if we overlook their past comments about Hamas and Hezbollah, some would say that wearing IRA style balaclavas is sympathising with and glorifying the IRA.

As has been said before, one man’s terrorist is another man’s freedom fighter.

[CaledonianGonzo]

7 minutes ago, lazyred said:

 

If Kneecap play (and they should) then it should go out on iplayer with the rest of the lineup. I'd expect them to stick to highlighting the Gaza death and destruction on the main stage. Any Hamas / Kill an MP stuff would come out in SL or a secret set.

 

Or - far more likely - not at all.

[CaledonianGonzo]

1 minute ago, TheDayman said:

As has been said before, one man’s terrorist is another man’s freedom fighter.

 

The current series of Andor is - perhaps surprisingly for those that haven't seen it at all - spookily relevant to this entire issue. 

 

Previous series too tbf.

[TheDayman]

4 minutes ago, CaledonianGonzo said:

 

The current series of Andor is - perhaps surprisingly for those that haven't seen it at all - spookily relevant to this entire issue. 

 

Previous series too tbf.

Didn't think I'd get a tv show recommendation out of this thread, but I'll happily take it! 😂

Thanks!

Edited May 1, 2025 by TheDayman