Give Kunt A Nudge For Christmas

[gigpusher]

19 hours ago, maelzoid said:

I just can't bear LadBaby. Everything about it is so naff and terrible and lacking artistry. But it's all for a good cause, innit? In a way, I think it should be discounted from the charts, because people are not really buying it. People are making a charity donation that is recorded as record sales. How well would they do if the charity element was removed? Who even listens to this music? The Spotify numbers are really quite low. The predictability of it is now as awful the X-Factor always being at Xmas number 1. There's just no fun in it anymore.

But.... I think once they stop, Xmas number 1 will end up being Last Christmas every single year. The singles chart will effectively be stuck.

I always think it would be a much better cause if you just donated that money to the charity in the first place. Better all your money goes to the deserving charity than the 'profits' go to the deserving charity. 

[blutarsky]

Charity or not, LadBaby tracks are objectively fucking shite. I’d rather people spent their money pushing socialism so the Trussell Trust didn’t need to exist. 

Edited December 19, 2022 by blutarsky

[Alvoram]

28 minutes ago, gigpusher said:

I always think it would be a much better cause if you just donated that money to the charity in the first place. Better all your money goes to the deserving charity than the 'profits' go to the deserving charity. 

I don't mind 'profits' going to charity. I understand there are costs that 'need' to be paid first. What I do think needs legislating against is people claiming that all profits go to charity, and then paying themselves, or associates, a fee as a 'cost' before profits are calculated.  

If you're giving the public the impression that you're donating your time / services to charity, then you should not be able to make money off that. 

(For the record, I'm not suggesting that Mark is paying himself, or his LTD company a fee, I have no idea, but I do know that sort of thing does happen!) 

[maelzoid]

4 minutes ago, blutarsky said:

Charity or not, LadBaby tracks are objectively fucking shite. I’d rather people spent their money pushing socialism so the Trussell Trust didn’t need to exist. 

I concur.

I often think, if you do want to help hungry people in the UK, stop voting tory!

Maybe that's the point of LadBaby....? We get awful sausage roll songs until we solve the food crisis, which means we need to solve the government.... 

[eddie_corrigan]

the people who are streaming/buying ladbaby are probably the same turnips who kept w@nksock in the jungle. as mentioned cut out the insufferable gobshites and donate to the trussell trust direct

[gigpusher]

28 minutes ago, Alvoram said:

I don't mind 'profits' going to charity. I understand there are costs that 'need' to be paid first. What I do think needs legislating against is people claiming that all profits go to charity, and then paying themselves, or associates, a fee as a 'cost' before profits are calculated.  

If you're giving the public the impression that you're donating your time / services to charity, then you should not be able to make money off that. 

(For the record, I'm not suggesting that Mark is paying himself, or his LTD company a fee, I have no idea, but I do know that sort of thing does happen!) 

I don't either but the notion that people are buying awful songs that they don't even like to help the charity when they could bypass the awful song and in turn give the charity even more help. I have seen so many people excuse terrible songs with the 'ah but it's for charity' people do know that you can just donate direct to these charities and don't need a reason. 

[Alvoram]

26 minutes ago, maelzoid said:

I concur.

I often think, if you do want to help hungry people in the UK, stop voting tory!

Maybe that's the point of LadBaby....? We get awful sausage roll songs until we solve the food crisis, which means we need to solve the government.... 

All the motivation we need right there... 

If the tories win the next election I'm gone, no idea how, with my EU citizenship stolen from me, but I'll find a way... Not gonna happen though, is it? Surely not!

[Alvoram]

1 minute ago, gigpusher said:

I don't either but the notion that people are buying awful songs that they don't even like to help the charity when they could bypass the awful song and in turn give the charity even more help. I have seen so many people excuse terrible songs with the 'ah but it's for charity' people do know that you can just donate direct to these charities and don't need a reason. 

I think things like this are important to charities. Sure, people can just donate, but would they if they weren't reminded by campaigns like this? I think without things like this, and other awareness raising campaigns, charities would be much worse off in the long run. 

I've no problem with the idea of things like this, I just wish they were more tightly regulated, and that the charities got all of the profits. Those involved directly with any campaign like this should not be allowed to make a penny. Costs should only include direct costs paid to suppliers etc.

[gigpusher]

14 minutes ago, Alvoram said:

I think things like this are important to charities. Sure, people can just donate, but would they if they weren't reminded by campaigns like this? I think without things like this, and other awareness raising campaigns, charities would be much worse off in the long run. 

I've no problem with the idea of things like this, I just wish they were more tightly regulated, and that the charities got all of the profits. Those involved directly with any campaign like this should not be allowed to make a penny. Costs should only include direct costs paid to suppliers etc.

I guess that's my basic point though people are stupid. Ladbaby (whom I had never even heard of until they started doing this) could now just say say each year instead of us doing a stupid song that everyone will hate please donate to your local food bank and don't vote Tory so we don't have this horrendous mess of people needing food banks in the first place. 

It's like a lot of fundraising activity. We used to do bake sales at my old work. The cost of the ingredients was often more than they would charge for the cake. We'd have been better off just saying this is the charity we are supporting this week please can people give what they can afford. It seems though for some people there is a mentality that they won't give to charity unless they are getting something. 

America's philanthropic activity is even worse they often hold massive balls etc that cost about the same as the fundraising it's meant to be for. It's not giving to charity if you will only do it as long as you get something in return. 

On this point someone mentioned Last Christmas would be number 1 every year that would actually be more appropriate. George Michael at least understood that charity wasn't about you getting the glory for it. 

Edited December 19, 2022 by gigpusher

[maelzoid]

13 minutes ago, Alvoram said:

All the motivation we need right there... 

If the tories win the next election I'm gone, no idea how, with my EU citizenship stolen from me, but I'll find a way... Not gonna happen though, is it? Surely not!

It seems impossible the tories could be successful after 3 PMs in as many months, the rising cost of living, inflation etc...

But make no mistake it could happen. No matter how bad it gets under the tories, for a huge portion of the voters, it will never be as bad is it would be in their imagination with a labour govt...

So, we cannot be complacent, we have to keep encouraging people to vote, and I think importantly the idea that their vote is worthwhile.

Getting back on thread...

That record at number 12. At the very least, it shows a healthy freedom of expression alive in this country (though not perfect, I admit). When you see what's happening in Russia and Iran with govt censorship, we can at least say we have a band called the Kunts with a song called 'fuck the tories' in the top 20. Makes me wish TOTP was still on...

[maelzoid]

3 minutes ago, gigpusher said:

America's philanthropic activity is even worse they often hold massive balls etc that cost about the same as the fundraising it's meant to be for. It's not giving to charity if you will only do it as long as you get something in return. 

What's worse is that the Republicans will use this huge charity industry as an excuse to cut spending and not help their own citizens, while slapping their own backs and munch fois gras.

[gigpusher]

2 minutes ago, maelzoid said:

What's worse is that the Republicans will use this huge charity industry as an excuse to cut spending and not help their own citizens, while slapping their own backs and munch fois gras.

I know someone who works for government who said the same happens here. They work out how much they expect charities to fill the gap and deliberately underfund things. It's why I don't like to give to hospital fundraisers etc for new equipment.

[Alvoram]

1 minute ago, gigpusher said:

I know someone who works for government who said the same happens here. They work out how much they expect charities to fill the gap and deliberately underfund things. It's why I don't like to give to hospital fundraisers etc for new equipment.

That is bloody shocking, and honestly, I'm surprised I've not had my eyes opened to it before... But it makes so much sense now you've said it. 

Think I'm ok to carry on supporting those I support though, my own personal biggest benefactors are animal charities, small dog rescue centres / organisations etc... Government are never going to fund these either way. 

But thanks for the heads up, that's really important to know!!! 

[gigpusher]

10 minutes ago, Alvoram said:

That is bloody shocking, and honestly, I'm surprised I've not had my eyes opened to it before... But it makes so much sense now you've said it. 

Think I'm ok to carry on supporting those I support though, my own personal biggest benefactors are animal charities, small dog rescue centres / organisations etc... Government are never going to fund these either way. 

But thanks for the heads up, that's really important to know!!! 

I always suspected it but was amazed that he admitted it. He’s a relative of my husband and an economist (and very Tory leaning as well) 

[CaledonianGonzo]

2 hours ago, maelzoid said:

 

 

On a tangent, who says that Lizzo never has any hits.

[Skip997]

2 hours ago, gigpusher said:

I know someone who works for government who said the same happens here. They work out how much they expect charities to fill the gap and deliberately underfund things. It's why I don't like to give to hospital fundraisers etc for new equipment.

Always thought that may be the case. It's the one problem I've always had with charity donations, they shouldn't need to exist (for causes within the UK).

[Padjeq]

watched the ladbaby video so I could have a full opinion on it. Obviously, terrible as expected. Sausage rolls weren't a funny joke the first time. There's a lot of things in life I don't like but I can tell you about them and who they're for, but ladbaby doesn't even seem real. To take the song created to draw attention to the famine in Ethiopia, and have Feed The World becoming Feed The UK is a bit....'why are we sending money over there when there's people here who need it' facebook status.

[WhoOdyssey]

6 hours ago, CaledonianGonzo said:

On a tangent, who says that Lizzo never has any hits.

This Christmas Lizzo song is being massively boosted by it being an Amazon Original. It’s been a bit of a trend in recent years for those songs to chart highly as when you say “Alexa, play Christmas music”, the device is likely to play their original songs first - and thus it massively boosts them in the chart.

 

it’s the same with Stormzy’s ‘Firebabe’, which has a Christmas version as an Amazon Original - it’ll drop off a cliff when Christmas is over. 

[Padjeq]

13 hours ago, WhoOdyssey said:

This Christmas Lizzo song is being massively boosted by it being an Amazon Original. It’s been a bit of a trend in recent years for those songs to chart highly as when you say “Alexa, play Christmas music”, the device is likely to play their original songs first - and thus it massively boosts them in the chart.

 

it’s the same with Stormzy’s ‘Firebabe’, which has a Christmas version as an Amazon Original - it’ll drop off a cliff when Christmas is over. 

when I saw Lizzo up there I immediately knew it would be an amazon exclusive. There's one every year. But I didn't realise Stormzy had one too. Raye is really going it alone out there.

[maelzoid]

Just had another look at that chart. Given that it’s full of Christmas classics… where the fuck is Slade?

[Punksnotdead]

33 minutes ago, maelzoid said:

Just had another look at that chart. Given that it’s full of Christmas classics… where the fuck is Slade?

I thought the exact same thing!

[Alvoram]

Sausage Roll Man's losing ground... If you want a proper Christmas song to be number 1, might be a good idea to start streaming the arse off of Wham! or Mariah. 

https://www.officialcharts.com/chart-news/wham-and-mariah-carey-close-gap-on-ladbabys-food-aid-for-christmas-number-1-2022__38132/

Edited December 20, 2022 by Alvoram

[Padjeq]

8 minutes ago, Alvoram said:

Sausage Roll Man's losing ground... If you want a proper Christmas song to be number 1, might be a good idea to start streaming the arse off of Wham! or Mariah. 

https://www.officialcharts.com/chart-news/wham-and-mariah-carey-close-gap-on-ladbabys-food-aid-for-christmas-number-1-2022__38132/

I put money on Mariah about 1 day before the sausageman announced his single, and if she takes it I'll win over a grand. Trying not to think about it.

[Alvoram]

Well, he’s beaten the Beatles record. 🙈😂 

[CaledonianGonzo]

At least Ladbaby play the tracks you know. Macca lost the crowd with Being For The Benefit of Mr Kite.