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[Guest]

43 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

 

99% mortgages with higher interest rates. Sounds good. 

[Neil]

1 hour ago, Ozanne said:

99% mortgages with higher interest rates. Sounds good. 

And with higher house prices.

[steviewevie]

woohoo...like the good old days...

[lazyred]

The Lawson tax cutting budgets ended in diaster. A uncontrolled boom, also stimulated by financial dregulation, led to higher inflation, higher interest rates and recession. He has said himself it was a mistake based on bad forecasts.

https://econ.economicshelp.org/2008/01/lawson-boom-of-late-1980s.html

 

 

[steviewevie]

 

[Guest]

 

[Crazyfool01]

Can’t see any way back for the Tory’s but nothings changed for me … so much sh*t yet to be revealed 

[steviewevie]

37 minutes ago, Crazyfool01 said:

Can’t see any way back for the Tory’s but nothings changed for me … so much sh*t yet to be revealed 

11 months is a long time.

[Crazyfool01]

5 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

11 months is a long time.

Press have been looking for dirt on Labour , seems they can’t find much . Unless they’ve got something stored up for closer to the time . Labour have enough ammunition to put holes in several battleships 

[steviewevie]

11 minutes ago, Crazyfool01 said:

Press have been looking for dirt on Labour , seems they can’t find much . Unless they’ve got something stored up for closer to the time . Labour have enough ammunition to put holes in several battleships 

Don't get me wrong, it is looking like Labour's to lose...but campaigns haven't actually got going properly yet...there are many tory/swing voters who don't like the current govt and don't like Sunak and want them gone, but aren't exactly enthused by Starmer's labour, so I guess many will not bother voting, unless Tories can somehow persuade them through scare tactics. Starmer isn't scary though, but they will keep digging into his past, and maybe some of it will stick. Also, Labour will get asked more and more questions about tax and spend, how are they going to get us out of his hole without increasing taxes, how are they going to increase growth to allow borrowing that 28bill for green shite. And Reform are saying they will stand in all seats, but UKIP said that once and then didn't...and the left despise Starmer and many would probably prefer a Tory win.

Still, if Labour doesn't f**k up, and things generally stay as they are (i.e. sh*t)...could well be a big Labour win.

[steviewevie]

oh, and Tories have much more money.

[Crazyfool01]

7 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

Don't get me wrong, it is looking like Labour's to lose...but campaigns haven't actually got going properly yet...there are many tory/swing voters who don't like the current govt and don't like Sunak and want them gone, but aren't exactly enthused by Starmer's labour, so I guess many will not bother voting, unless Tories can somehow persuade them through scare tactics. Starmer isn't scary though, but they will keep digging into his past, and maybe some of it will stick. Also, Labour will get asked more and more questions about tax and spend, how are they going to get us out of his hole without increasing taxes, how are they going to increase growth to allow borrowing that 28bill for green shite. And Reform are saying they will stand in all seats, but UKIP said that once and then didn't...and the left despise Starmer and many would probably prefer a Tory win.

Still, if Labour doesn't f**k up, and things generally stay as they are (i.e. sh*t)...could well be a big Labour win.

Reform is just a fundraiser … they’ll back out . So don’t really see them playing a part sadly ( not that I want them to take seats but take some Tory vote would be nice ) 

[steviewevie]

30 minutes ago, Crazyfool01 said:

Reform is just a fundraiser … they’ll back out . So don’t really see them playing a part sadly ( not that I want them to take seats but take some Tory vote would be nice ) 

fundraiser for what?

[Crazyfool01]

1 minute ago, steviewevie said:

fundraiser for what?

Farage / tyce 

[steviewevie]

2 minutes ago, Crazyfool01 said:

Farage / tyce 

Ok, not sure...both loaded...and is Farage still in Reform? I think they will stand, but will they stand in Labour/Tory marginals where they could help Labour win the seat?

[lost]

Yes Reform will run and will seriously damage the Tories. The conditions around brexit don't exist this time plus I think Farage was on record as thinking Corbyn was a communist, he probably doesn't feel the same way regarding Starmer

[steviewevie]

 

[steviewevie]

 

[steviewevie]

20 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

 

you can follow govt on whatsapp. 

Now that really is exciting.

[FloopFiller]

32 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

you can follow govt on whatsapp. 

Now that really is exciting.

Daily messages of ‘Yep we’re still absolutely awful, no further update’.

[steviewevie]

[Guest]

 

[clarkete]

43 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

Popular? 

 

[Crazyfool01]

2 minutes ago, clarkete said:

Popular? 

 

thats the con bit 

[kaosmark2]

21 hours ago, steviewevie said:

Don't get me wrong, it is looking like Labour's to lose...but campaigns haven't actually got going properly yet...there are many tory/swing voters who don't like the current govt and don't like Sunak and want them gone, but aren't exactly enthused by Starmer's labour, so I guess many will not bother voting, unless Tories can somehow persuade them through scare tactics. Starmer isn't scary though, but they will keep digging into his past, and maybe some of it will stick. Also, Labour will get asked more and more questions about tax and spend, how are they going to get us out of his hole without increasing taxes, how are they going to increase growth to allow borrowing that 28bill for green shite. And Reform are saying they will stand in all seats, but UKIP said that once and then didn't...and the left despise Starmer and many would probably prefer a Tory win.

Still, if Labour doesn't f**k up, and things generally stay as they are (i.e. sh*t)...could well be a big Labour win.

People talk about Tory voters staying at home, but a huge amount of the red wall was Labour voters staying at home because they couldn't stomach Corbyn. A lot of those seats went from 35k Labour 15k Tory, to 20k Tory 18k Labour. Yes it was a 22k swing, but you'd expect 15k of those Labour voters to come back almost by default. There's definite potential to misjudge that and take it for granted, but a huge amount of Starmer's rhetoric has gone towards reassuring what he thinks those voters want. Time will tell but I think Corbyn, Bojo, and Brexit all created some quite unique effects and the real swing to shift against is more like 2015/2017 than 2019.

Maybe part of holding on for a winter election is Tories thinking that will advantage them, but between it being easier for students to vote than May/June (no exams and known living location), and disillusionment with Sunak from both ends of the Tory base, I think it's electoral suicide and they're just waiting for some international Deus Ex Machina to save them.