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[zahidf]

Aren’t people getting a bit carried away by the Labour dissent story? Starmer is not going to be brought down by it, whatever he does. There’s no way he’s in real trouble short of losing his poll lead, and this issue is not a big one for voters.

[pink_triangle]

11 minutes ago, zahidf said:

Aren’t people getting a bit carried away by the Labour dissent story? Starmer is not going to be brought down by it, whatever he does. There’s no way he’s in real trouble short of losing his poll lead, and this issue is not a big one for voters.

I think it’s one of those issues big on twitter, but less so to your average voter who will be focusing on the economy, housing, education and the NHS. I’m sure his stance will cost some votes, probably calling for a ceasefire would cost some votes. That’s the reality of running for power.

[Skip997]

29 minutes ago, zahidf said:

But it's being chanted by Hamas and the right wing of Likund. Why use that phrase?

It was first used in 1977, by guess who?

Israeli's

[Rufus Gwertigan]

32 minutes ago, zahidf said:

Aren’t people getting a bit carried away by the Labour dissent story? Starmer is not going to be brought down by it, whatever he does. There’s no way he’s in real trouble short of losing his poll lead, and this issue is not a big one for voters.

Totally agree. It all detracts from the government stance or lack of it.

[Ozanne]

51 minutes ago, zahidf said:

Aren’t people getting a bit carried away by the Labour dissent story? Starmer is not going to be brought down by it, whatever he does. There’s no way he’s in real trouble short of losing his poll lead, and this issue is not a big one for voters.

Pretty much, it's the same old story of anything being flung at the Labour leader. He's not really under any real pressure at all.

[Ozanne]

42 minutes ago, Skip997 said:

It was first used in 1977, by guess who?

Israeli's

It was used in the mid-60s by the PLO.

[steviewevie]

55 minutes ago, pink_triangle said:

I think it’s one of those issues big on twitter, but less so to your average voter who will be focusing on the economy, housing, education and the NHS. I’m sure his stance will cost some votes, probably calling for a ceasefire would cost some votes. That’s the reality of running for power.

I don't know, they have a reputation for infighting which this could expose again. I don't think it's nothing.

[pink_triangle]

11 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

I don't know, they have a reputation for infighting which this could expose again. I don't think it's nothing.

Honestly the average voter isn’t paying attention to Labour cllrs and wouldn’t have a clue who Andy McDonald is. It’s an important issue, but it’s not bread and butter.

[steviewevie]

4 minutes ago, pink_triangle said:

Honestly the average voter isn’t paying attention to Labour cllrs and wouldn’t have a clue who Andy McDonald is. It’s an important issue, but it’s not bread and butter.

You could argue it was the same with antisemitism, but people did notice. 

[zahidf]

1 hour ago, Skip997 said:

It was first used in 1977, by guess who?

Israeli's

Lol who do you think Likund are?

 

Anyway, the Jewish anti defamation league says that phrase is anto semitic, so I'd probably be reluctant to use it in a speech

[zahidf]

Just now, steviewevie said:

You could argue it was the same with antisemitism, but people did notice. 

It didn't help but wasn't the major issue with corbyn

 

 

[Ozanne]

28 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

I don't know, they have a reputation for infighting which this could expose again. I don't think it's nothing.

Meanwhile a member of the government has actually been fired, that's not some backbencher. 

[zahidf]

Seem to be ok

[Neil]

2 hours ago, zahidf said:

at a demo on the weekend.

wasn't a demo, it was a "hate march"© s. bravverman

[Ozanne]

 

[steviewevie]

I mean I don't think this will lose labour the election, but it further erodes trust in the leadership amongst labour activists and members...and they won't be there to back starmer when the sh*t hits the fan which it inevitably will.

[steviewevie]

..and Starmer doesn't look as in control as he did a few weeks ago 

[Ozanne]

Yes he does, nothing has changed. Geez, it’s not all about the Labour leader here. 

[squirrelarmy]

Those people complaining about Starmers views are the same people who haven’t stopped complaining since Corbyn got the boot. They don’t like Starmer no matter what he does or doesn’t do. 

They’re a very vocal minority who will complain no matter who is in charge. 

[steviewevie]

Ministers and MPs are publicly supporting a ceasefire which is not party policy, and starmer not doing anything about it. That is a weakened position from before.

[Ozanne]

2 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

Ministers and MPs are publicly supporting a ceasefire which is not party policy, and starmer not doing anything about it. That is a weakened position from before.

Not really, he's allowing them to have their view but if they step over the line 'river to the sea' then he takes action. He's also not caved into the pressure and changed the party's stance either. Seems pretty secure to me.

[lazyred]

Seems like Isreal are pulling their punches in Gaza in response to US pressure and because fighting Hamas in the tunnels is very difficult. Its still a catastrophe for the civilians.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/oct/30/israel-idf-strategy-gaza-benjamin-netanyahu-us

[steviewevie]

3 minutes ago, lazyred said:

Seems like Isreal are pulling their punches in Gaza in response to US pressure and because fighting Hamas in the tunnels is very difficult. Its still a catastrophe for the civilians.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/oct/30/israel-idf-strategy-gaza-benjamin-netanyahu-us

What I want to know is if they do manage to eliminate Hamas, then what?

[Ommadawn]

31 minutes ago, Ozanne said:

Yes he does, nothing has changed. Geez, it’s not all about the Labour leader here. 

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