When will this shit end?

[efcfanwirral]

3 minutes ago, stuie said:

People are fed up of buying tickets to events/shows/festivals that are being cancelled and rolled over.

Confidence that events will actually happen is low! 

(not Latitude - that just looks shit) 

That's actually a good point - I currently have 2 lots of festival tickets and 3 indoor gigs rolled over. Did the right thing rolling over the festivals for definite as it helps the industry but yes, I'm lucky to be able to afford a gamble on Latitude on top of that. 

I wouldn't ever go otherwise but a weekend in a field as if its the old days was too good to pass up! 

Edited July 16, 2021 by efcfanwirral

[kalifire]

9 minutes ago, Barry Fish said:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jul/16/englands-covid-unlocking-a-threat-to-the-world-experts-say?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other

 

We are a threat to the world...  ffs

It seems obvious that restrictions like social distancing being removed completely before maximum, or even a very high level of vaccination has occurred, will increase the risk of virus mutations. I don't think anyone can reasonably disagree with that. Is that a good enough reason to keep restrictions? Some think so, others not. Neither side is necessarily 'right', it's a matter of opinion.

I think most people recognise the gamble being taken here, hence the concern most people have. The extent of the easing is quite jarring (basically disappearing entirely in terms of government mandates), which I suppose accounts for the nervous sounding comments from Whitty etc. about how bad things could actually get.

Edited July 16, 2021 by kalifire

[Crazyfool01]

5 minutes ago, BobWillis2 said:

If Glastonbury was on next week people would be desperately trying to find a route in because the demand would be far higher than the supply. 

Not a fair example to use I’d say … Glastonbury is unique in the fact it is massively oversubscribed so a drop off of a portion of those would likely make no difference … as it would still sell out … you might get a few not so confident seeking refunds though 

Edited July 16, 2021 by crazyfool1

[BobWillis2]

Just now, crazyfool1 said:

Not a fair example to use I’d say … Glastonbury is unique in the fact it is massively oversubscribed so a drop off of a portion of those would likely make no difference … as it would still sell out … 

Either people are hesitant or they’re not? Can’t have it both ways. 

[BobWillis2]

2 minutes ago, kalifire said:

It seems obvious that restrictions like social distancing being removed completely before maximum, or even a very high level of vaccination, has occurred will increase the risk of virus mutations. 

Except we have no idea yet if mutations will occur in vaccinated people who can still catch the virus and transmit it, albeit to a lesser extent. 
There is no proof that a fully vaccinated population would be free from variants. 

[steviewevie]

Either everyone is desperate to go out and party or everyone is too scared to leave their homes.

[Crazyfool01]

1 minute ago, BobWillis2 said:

Either people are hesitant or they’re not? Can’t have it both ways. 

Some people are some people aren’t …  a better test in terms of a festival would be to look at one that just about sells out …. Although this year is a mess anyway with the limited numbers actually going ahead … 

[stuie]

6 minutes ago, crazyfool1 said:

See my reply above .. it will take time for full demand to resume … we need everyone back doing things not just the ones involved in these initial surge of a limited number of events … it will happen but I’m not sure it will quite yet 

Of all my friends that go to festivals, I don’t know any that are apprehensive about returning. They are all chomping at the bit. I know that’s a small sample size but I don’t get any sense of people being scared, apart from on this forum.

[Crazyfool01]

1 minute ago, Barry Fish said:

I will tell you what is a good example - Silverstone...

Demographic for attendance is actually VERY mixed.  Age range 3 to 99 and both male and female (I was shocked first time how many women go - always thought it would be male dominated).  It usually sells out every year and its usually the same people who go every year.

This year it will packed - every seat taken.

If there was a fear of engagement in large events Silverstone would not have sold out.

There’s a mix … what’s so hard to see ? Some will some won’t … but for a fully functioning economy it needs those others to return to spending money … 

[efcfanwirral]

#pingdemic

[zahidf]

1 minute ago, efcfanwirral said:

#pingdemic

Staff will be 'encouraged' to turn the app off I'd imagine.

[gooner1990]

My work have just sent an email round saying that despite restrictions being lifted from Monday face masks and social distancing will still apply when on the premises.

 

[BobWillis2]

3 minutes ago, crazyfool1 said:

There’s a mix … what’s so hard to see ? Some will some won’t … 

I don’t think either of us are disagreeing with that. What I disagreed with is that an event not sold out is proof that there’s vast swathes of hesitant people rather than a lack of interest in an event that doesn’t look very good. 
 

 

[BobWillis2]

Just now, Barry Fish said:

Teachers have been told from the start to turn them off. 

And the police. 

[Crazyfool01]

1 minute ago, stuie said:

Of all my friends that go to festivals, I don’t know any that are apprehensive about returning. They are all chomping at the bit. I know that’s a small sample size but I don’t get any sense of people being scared, apart from on this forum.

Any of them vulnerable ? Or have vulnerable dependants ? Maybe those categories don’t tend to do festivals anyway ? Next time you talk to someone in one of those categories ask them if they would be happy to to go to a nightclub at the moment … Of course there’s a shit load of pent up demand people have been cooped up for ages and that will obviously manifest itself in packed events as we start opening … it needs to be maintained with others being happy to integrate too 

[Crazyfool01]

2 minutes ago, BobWillis2 said:

I don’t think either of us are disagreeing with that. What I disagreed with is that an event not sold out is proof that there’s vast swathes of hesitant people rather than a lack of interest in an event that doesn’t look very good. 
 

 

Could be ether or I guess 

[stuie]

9 minutes ago, crazyfool1 said:

Any of them vulnerable ? Or have vulnerable dependants ? Maybe those categories don’t tend to do festivals anyway ? Next time you talk to someone in one of those categories ask them if they would be happy to to go to a nightclub at the moment … Of course there’s a shit load of pent up demand people have been cooped up for ages and that will obviously manifest itself in packed events as we start opening … it needs to be maintained with others being happy to integrate too 

Yes, two would be classed as vulnerable - but vaccinated! 

[steviewevie]

People on here constantly thinking that everyone must think the same as them and their friends.

[Guest]

It’s very possible that a full on reopening like we are going to have will do the opposite and turn more people away due to lack of restrictions/high prevalence of the virus. Especially when you combine it with government support ending, it could end up being worse for businesses.  

[steviewevie]

17 minutes ago, zahidf said:

Staff will be 'encouraged' to turn the app off I'd imagine.

People are not required by law to self isolate if pinged, but they are if contacted directly by track and trace. I don't think people should be turning it off.

[Plateletboy]

30 minutes ago, kalifire said:

It seems obvious that restrictions like social distancing being removed completely before maximum, or even a very high level of vaccination has occurred, will increase the risk of virus mutations. I don't think anyone can reasonably disagree with that.

^^Well as an immunologist I'd say you have got this completely wrong - it's vaccination and social distancing that drives selection of new variants. The virus mutates at the same rate no matter what, but being unable to spread between people easily and being neutralised by antibodies generated by vaccination creates the selection pressure for rare 'fitter' mutations to expand.

That's evolution and you cannot stop it...

[zahidf]

Fake SAGE have started their conference saying how we are all going to die!

[steviewevie]

Just now, zahidf said:

Fake SAGE have started their conference saying how we are all going to die!

oh, thanks for the heads up. Love indie sage and their cool font and doomster forever lockdown zero covid we're all fucked thing.

[kalifire]

2 minutes ago, Plateletboy said:

^^Well as an immunologist I'd say you have got this completely wrong - it's vaccination and social distancing that drives selection of new variants. The virus mutates at the same rate no matter what, but being unable to spread between people easily and being neutralised by antibodies generated by vaccination creates the selection pressure for rare 'fitter' mutations to expand.

Interesting. So what would be your suggestion for how this should play out? 

[Guest]

4 minutes ago, zahidf said:

Fake SAGE have started their conference saying how we are all going to die!

They aren’t wrong, we all will at some stage 😉