When will this shit end?

[steviewevie]

 

[DeanoL]

24 minutes ago, Barry Fish said:

Its isn't balanced to take the most cautious of approaches at all time.  Feel free to highlight where you don't ? 

The most cautious approach is not going into the shop in the first place. Not wearing a mask in the shop.

The issue with the balance of risk thing you keep talking about is people absolutely are applying that. It's why they're not asking for us to go back into lockdown or have the shops shut down. The problem for you is that when we're talking about balance of risk we also have to look at the "cost" of any risk mitigation. 

You really hate wearing masks, you find them really uncomfortable and stifling. I get that. I sympathise, I really do. But you need to understand, the majority of us don't. Most of us can wear a mask while shopping and barely even realise we've got it on. It comes at almost no expense to us. So our calculation is very different to yours. We're not willing to give up stuff we actually want to do, but wearing a mask comes at close to zero cost to us, so even if the reward is only a bit more than nothing, it's worth doing. 

You're not wrong either - your viewpoint should not be ignored just because you're in the minority in really disliking masks. But the rest of us aren't wrong either. We're not calculating the risk wrong, we're just putting different numbers into the equation.

[zahidf]

1 minute ago, DeanoL said:

The most cautious approach is not going into the shop in the first place. Not wearing a mask in the shop.

The issue with the balance of risk thing you keep talking about is people absolutely are applying that. It's why they're not asking for us to go back into lockdown or have the shops shut down. The problem for you is that when we're talking about balance of risk we also have to look at the "cost" of any risk mitigation. 

You really hate wearing masks, you find them really uncomfortable and stifling. I get that. I sympathise, I really do. But you need to understand, the majority of us don't. Most of us can wear a mask while shopping and barely even realise we've got it on. It comes at almost no expense to us. So our calculation is very different to yours. We're not willing to give up stuff we actually want to do, but wearing a mask comes at close to zero cost to us, so even if the reward is only a bit more than nothing, it's worth doing. 

You're not wrong either - your viewpoint should not be ignored just because you're in the minority in really disliking masks. But the rest of us aren't wrong either. We're not calculating the risk wrong, we're just putting different numbers into the equation.

Yeah thats a good point. If we get rid of everything except for Masks in some situation, id live with that

[Fuzzy Afro]

One thing I did realise is that I hate seeing people in masks more so than I hate wearing them myself.

 

The actual feeling of having a bit of cloth on my face is no issue to me. But seeing people walking around Tesco as if it’s a nuclear fallout site does make me feel a bit shit and dehumanised. 

[zahidf]

 

[steviewevie]

8 minutes ago, DeanoL said:

The most cautious approach is not going into the shop in the first place. Not wearing a mask in the shop.

The issue with the balance of risk thing you keep talking about is people absolutely are applying that. It's why they're not asking for us to go back into lockdown or have the shops shut down. The problem for you is that when we're talking about balance of risk we also have to look at the "cost" of any risk mitigation. 

You really hate wearing masks, you find them really uncomfortable and stifling. I get that. I sympathise, I really do. But you need to understand, the majority of us don't. Most of us can wear a mask while shopping and barely even realise we've got it on. It comes at almost no expense to us. So our calculation is very different to yours. We're not willing to give up stuff we actually want to do, but wearing a mask comes at close to zero cost to us, so even if the reward is only a bit more than nothing, it's worth doing. 

You're not wrong either - your viewpoint should not be ignored just because you're in the minority in really disliking masks. But the rest of us aren't wrong either. We're not calculating the risk wrong, we're just putting different numbers into the equation.

Definitely don't like wearing masks either.

Edited July 15, 2021 by steviewevie

[Chapple12345]

Terrible to see this happening elsewhere, especially since we would probably be in the same situation without our vaccine rollout 

[sisco]

34 minutes ago, Barry Fish said:

So France is bringing in the covid passport for getting into restaurants / theme parks etc etc for 12 and over.  Test 24 hours before or vaccine.

If the UK doesn't jab the kids then they face constant testing to get in anywhere while abroad (France won't be the only place).  

We’re planning on Disneyland Paris for New Years.  Under the current rules my 13 year old daughter will need to test the day before and day 2 of our 4 day trip.  Overkill IMO

[Guest]

 

[sisco]

Just now, Barry Fish said:

She will...

• Test before you travel to France
• Test while in France to gain access to restaurants and Theme Parks etc
• Test before flying back to the UK (maybe you can combine this with the France venue requirement ? )
• Test on 2 Day of arriving back in the UK (presuming you are doubled jabbed)

There is a testing centre in Disneyland Paris Village by the way which might be helpful for you.

It's so expensive and inconvenient and frankly pointless.  The concept we can stop a variant travelling between here and the contestant is for the birds.

Yeah it’s very annoying.  Hoping something changes by New Years but if not…. We’ll not be going.  Imagine checking mid trip and she’s positive!!  

[Guest]

Vaccination update:

[JoeyT]

 

[DeanoL]

25 minutes ago, Barry Fish said:

I don't actually think I am right and he is wrong.  But I think people could be a bit more honest with their thoughts - both short term and long term.

I agree - I think part of it is that you need to admit that a lot of your opposition to masks comes from how much you dislike wearing them. And I think others need to realise that just because they find them comfortable doesn't mean everyone else does.

It's not just about a difference of opinion - it's literally a difference in how our bodies are reacting to wearing a mask - and it doesn't matter if your a good or evil person or whatever, we can't change that. 

[Guest]

It really looks like we are seeing the impacts of the quarters and semis of the Euros. I shudder to think what it’ll be like when the final starts filtering through on top of step 4 on Monday. 

[Chapple12345]

 

[zahidf]

The Spectator is claiming that Freedom Day is now empty of meaning, and the government wants all restrictions to stay, they just can't say it openly, because politics. Sounds about right! 

[Guest]

3 minutes ago, zahidf said:

The Spectator is claiming that Freedom Day is now empty of meaning, and the government wants all restrictions to stay, they just can't say it openly, because politics. Sounds about right! 

Do you mean this?

 

[steviewevie]

2 minutes ago, zahidf said:

The Spectator is claiming that Freedom Day is now empty of meaning, and the government wants all restrictions to stay, they just can't say it openly, because politics. Sounds about right! 

Poor Fraser and co...their libertarian trooper has let them down.

[zahidf]

1 minute ago, Ozanne said:

Do you mean this?

 

yup! i do wonder if thats true

The cases arent great, but the schools breaking up and Euros being over should get things down

[Guest]

Just now, zahidf said:

yup! i do wonder if thats true

The cases arent great, but the schools breaking up and Euros being over should get things down

Who knows, Johnson probably doesn’t even know really. He’s clueless.

I just think it’s a perfect storm for spread of the virus with the impacts of the Final being seen from next week and full relaxation. Hopefully I’m wrong but it’s worrying!

[Crazyfool01]

1 hour ago, Barry Fish said:

Where else are they going to shop ?
 

I would imagine many will not wear masks.  There is a difference between a request and a mandate.

I guess home delivery is the option and one I’d have liked everyone that is unable to wear them or chooses not to  or get someone who can to shop for them …. I think that isn’t too unreasonable  … and actually it’s very true like that post further up … there are very few people that can’t wear them for short periods of time 

[Guest]

2 minutes ago, Nobody Interesting said:

The actual vs SAGE scenarios on there is good though. Better off that the optimistic predictions.

Fingers well and truely crossed for chunks of luck, cos we need them.

I know the answer to this but honestly if he was anywhere near a decent leader and he truly thought things didn’t look for reopening on Monday then he should postpone it and think screw the political fallout. But he’s not a decent leader and will only think of his and his Party’s power.

[Crazyfool01]

55 minutes ago, Barry Fish said:

Well I wasn't referring to everyone - I was referring to @crazyfool1 who throughout has taken a very cautious tone.

There is a whole rainbow of opinion out there.  I do wear masks keep in mind.  I do actually distance as much as possible still (I think this is more effective) and I have taken the vaccine.

I wouldn't say - from a balance perspective - I am actually all the gungho. 

I don't actually think I am right and he is wrong.  But I think people could be a bit more honest with their thoughts - both short term and long term.

Yeah just been for a swim after completing my risk assessment … saw an empty pool so dived on in … other joined so I put a mask on and swum the rest under water … the hazmat suit is an absolute nightmare though 

[Crazyfool01]

2 minutes ago, Barry Fish said:

Likewise the very few people who can't take the vaccine can exercise the same option.

Of course they can and they more than likely are and quite a few million shut themselves away during the early stages of this … to prevent the nhs from overwhelming … it would be nice if they felt a bit of protection from society whilst doing a food shop though … and if they can’t wear a face cover then the same applies to them 

[Crazyfool01]

Just now, Barry Fish said:

Hope you put on your plastic sock - can't be too careful with those warts 🙂

The suit covered them … I take my risk assessments seriously