Are Tories welcome at Glastonbury

[Blisterpack]

22 minutes ago, glastolover19 said:

I think you're find most people aren't as thick as you try to make them out to be,just because they don't agree with you doesn't make them wrong or you right

The only Brexit supporters I know personally are the casual and not so casual racists I come across at work. They are wrong about just about everything that comes out of their mouths; I’m happy to assume Brexit is no different. 

[Homer]

1 hour ago, glastolover19 said:

No you haven't explicitly said it but you have clearly implied that the leavers are all liars.

As you said yourself "from what I hear" you don't really know what is going to actually happen,until it's all said and done you don't actually know it's as bad as you have been told,God forbid anyone's made a prediction and been proved wrong later. You embrace what is presented to you as the final deal(admittedly it's a cluster f at the moment) and make the most of it. Sorry whatever way you look at it more people voted out then in

Well, it's costing us all already. Plus, what happens if all the car manufacturing plants close and those people all lose their jobs?

Or is the Leaver position 'I am more than happy to pay for my notion of 'sovereignty' with other people's jobs'? Seems a tad unfair to me, but there you go.

To be fair, every single major car plant town voted leave. And this was despite pre-vote warnings from their bosses, the unions and local MPS.
 

[Homer]

1 hour ago, Blisterpack said:

The only Brexit supporters I know personally are the casual and not so casual racists I come across at work. They are wrong about just about everything that comes out of their mouths; I’m happy to assume Brexit is no different. 

 

Exacgtly the same here. The only people I know who voted Leave work in the sales team at work. I asked two of them over a curry about the Irish border and the fact that the EU is about to crack down on tax dodging, hence those who sold it all to us, and they said they didn't know what i was talking about in either instance. They're still nice guys and my mates though.

[glastolover19]

5 minutes ago, sime said:

No. Not gulliable fools. We all fall for lies from time to time. I would have preferred they researched more but lots didn't. To repeat myself, I blame in the first instance, the leave campaign.

 

The experts know, based on their well studied analysis what will happen in certain scenarios. Which is why a large number of businesses are already planning to leave the UK. That's an expensive logistical nightmare for them but they want out of this shit storm to save their companies. They would not consider this based on fear alone.

So if the final deal is no deal, would you embrace that!? You must have some idea by now of what a disaster a no deal would be.

 

Those leave voters I know were duped. Not idiots. Just good, honest people on the fence trying to make the correct decision. And they are not happy that their decision was based on lies. They themselves may feel stupid. I just wish they had looked into it more rather than just listen to politicians. I feel for them...

 

I get what you are saying and yeah everyone should do their own research and base opinions on that but the thing is for every "specialist" who said it was bad idea you can find another that says the opposite,people tend to be drawn to opinions that are similar to their already established views. I'm not saying I'm right and your wrong and I'm fully prepared to be proven wrong. I can only speak from my experience but the company I work for is not leaving the UK,I'm not naming names but they are an extremely large company(not saying they are right or wrong just demonstrating that not all think the same) At this very minute in time it looks likely to be no deal but I don't know what will happen next week,no one does for sure

[Badlands]

35 minutes ago, sime said:

The leave side won in large part due to the out right lies spewed out by the leave campaign.

I don't believe this at all. Everyone knows it was a campaign based on lies, yet opinion polls aren't really that far off what they were when the referendum took place.

If they did the vote again tomorrow, I reckon the outcome would be the same. And that's why I'd rather not have a 2nd referendum.

[glastolover19]

18 minutes ago, Homer said:

Well, it's costing us all already. Plus, what happens if all the car manufacturing plants close and those people all lose their jobs?

Or is the Leaver position 'I am more than happy to pay for my notion of 'sovereignty' with other people's jobs'? Seems a tad unfair to me, but there you go.

To be fair, every single major car plant town voted leave. And this was despite pre-vote warnings from their bosses, the unions and local MPS.
 

Again I didn't vote,I'm merely looking at it from both sides

[glastolover19]

21 minutes ago, Blisterpack said:

The only Brexit supporters I know personally are the casual and not so casual racists I come across at work. They are wrong about just about everything that comes out of their mouths; I’m happy to assume Brexit is no different. 

 

18 minutes ago, Homer said:

 

Exacgtly the same here. The only people I know who voted Leave work in the sales team at work. I asked two of them over a curry about the Irish border and the fact that the EU is about to crack down on tax dodging, hence those who sold it all to us, and they said they didn't know what i was talking about in either instance. They're still nice guys and my mates though.

Ummm ok not really sure how you can say racists are nice guys and maybe you should choose your friends more carefully.

[Homer]

3 minutes ago, glastolover19 said:

 

Ummm ok not really sure how you can say racists are nice guys and maybe you should choose your friends more carefully.

 

Oh sorry, i misread the bit about casual racists, ta for flagging it! Just to clarify: my workmates are not racist, they are merely leave voters/Tories, and I’m not friends with any racists.

 

There is a leave voting racist on the sales team and I think she’s a massive twat!

[Blisterpack]

15 minutes ago, glastolover19 said:

 

Ummm ok not really sure how you can say racists are nice guys and maybe you should choose your friends more carefully.

They are certainly not friends. They are appalling people. 

[Homer]

BBC breaking reporting that he UK is denying speculation that a deal has been done with the EU.

 

The leadership challenge speculation is effectively the other side of the same coin as they know whatever May has will not be popular with one group or another!

[Rose-Colored Boy]

Yeah there are some very racist gammons at my work who seem such reasonable people when talking to them about most other things that you almost forget how vile their views are, it’s weird. Similarly when I was working in Florida the summer Trump just before got elected, you could be having the most normal and reasonable conversation with people who seemed to be perfectly level-headed, then suddenly they’d nonchalantly drop in “oh yeah I’ll be voting for Trump, it’s been too long since someone said what I think like that”. And it’s like what, why??? Ugh, man.

Edited October 14, 2018 by Rose-Colored Boy

[Homer]

1 hour ago, Rose-Colored Boy said:

Yeah there are some very racist gammons at my work who seem such reasonable people when talking to them about most other things that you almost forget how vile their views are, it’s weird. Similarly when I was working in Florida the summer Trump got elected you could be having the most normal and reasonable conversation with people who seemed to be perfectly level-headed, then suddenly they’d nonchalantly drop in “oh yeah I’ll be voting for Trump, it’s been too long since someone said what I think like that”. And it’s like what, why??? Ugh, man.

 

Yeah, I met some American teenagers in India almost two years ago and I started slagging off Trump to make conversation and they then started saying he was Hillary. They were teenagers! And the sort who go to India! What is going on with these idiots?

[glastolover19]

47 minutes ago, Homer said:

 

Yeah, I met some American teenagers in India almost two years ago and I started slagging off Trump to make conversation and they then started saying he was Hillary. They were teenagers! And the sort who go to India! What is going on with these idiots?

Unfortunately I think we live in a very bigoted/racist world. Your always going to get pockets of folks from all demographics and groups who only want a world that is a carbon copy of themselves and not "outsiders" 

I do speak from experience as my wife is from Europe and over the years she's had shit from all sides based purely where she's from. I will make it perfectly clear that if anyone on here is racist then go fuck yourself and don't even think of talking to me

[Homer]

8 minutes ago, glastolover19 said:

Unfortunately I think we live in a very bigoted/racist world. Your always going to get pockets of folks from all demographics and groups who only want a world that is a carbon copy of themselves and not "outsiders" 

I do speak from experience as my wife is from Europe and over the years she's had shit from all sides based purely where she's from. I will make it perfectly clear that if anyone on here is racist then go fuck yourself and don't even think of talking to me

 

I cannot emphasise enough that my workmates (that I like) aren’t racist - I misread the post that I quoted from!

 

Yeah, it’s weird isn’t it? My wife is a kiwi and she doesn’t get any bother at all. I guess she is broadly culturally similar to us, and doesn’t have an ‘unfamiliar’ accent (just a very funny one).

 

is your wife good to stay do you know and did she vote?

[clarkete]

1 hour ago, glastolover19 said:

I get what you are saying and yeah everyone should do their own research and base opinions on that but the thing is for every "specialist" who said it was bad idea you can find another that says the opposite,

Prove it.

That was never true during the campaign, hence Gove's widely mocked line about experts which you are  paraphrasing to your own ends. 

As for business, science, engineering, education, health,etc every sector you can think of had groups which spoke of the consequences and they were never in positive terms.

The Leave campaign exploited the balance rules of the beeb and the bias of their sympathetic papers to push Dyson, Bamford and the like, so there was a group of 99 business people countered by about 3, who for the most part will not be affected. 

[HalfAnIdiot]

2 hours ago, sime said:

No. Not gulliable fools. We all fall for lies from time to time. I would have preferred they researched more but lots didn't. To repeat myself, I blame in the first instance, the leave campaign.

 

The experts know, based on their well studied analysis what will happen in certain scenarios. Which is why a large number of businesses are already planning to leave the UK. That's an expensive logistical nightmare for them but they want out of this shit storm to save their companies. They would not consider this based on fear alone.

So if the final deal is no deal, would you embrace that!? You must have some idea by now of what a disaster a no deal would be.

 

Those leave voters I know were duped. Not idiots. Just good, honest people on the fence trying to make the correct decision. And they are not happy that their decision was based on lies. They themselves may feel stupid. I just wish they had looked into it more rather than just listen to politicians. I feel for them...

 

Which companies are planning to leave please?

[Homer]

5 minutes ago, HalfAnIdiot said:

Which companies are planning to leave please?

 

Nissan and other motoring companies have mooted it and are waiting and watching.

[HalfAnIdiot]

2 hours ago, Homer said:

 

Yeah, it's just that some right wing people (not the nice ones on here) seem a bit joyless and like they want to be offended almost. I thought the stupid London balloon thing illustrated this really well. When the Trump balloon went up, loads of right-wingers were up in arms saying 'they wouldn't let us fly one of Khan'. When they flew the Khan one, no one on the left gave a sh1t. Right and left are generally wired differently mentally.

 

No... is it really big by any chance? I found him quite annoying TBH!

Quite big. Burton Bradstock, Doset.

I find him rather annoying too. His arguments are simplistic and rhetorical. But perhaps I just expect too much of musicians...

[eastynh]

32 minutes ago, glastolover19 said:

Unfortunately I think we live in a very bigoted/racist world. Your always going to get pockets of folks from all demographics and groups who only want a world that is a carbon copy of themselves and not "outsiders" 

I do speak from experience as my wife is from Europe and over the years she's had shit from all sides based purely where she's from. I will make it perfectly clear that if anyone on here is racist then go fuck yourself and don't even think of talking to me

 

[glastolover19]

25 minutes ago, Homer said:

 

I cannot emphasise enough that my workmates (that I like) aren’t racist - I misread the post that I quoted from!

 

Yeah, it’s weird isn’t it? My wife is a kiwi and she doesn’t get any bother at all. I guess she is broadly culturally similar to us, and doesn’t have an ‘unfamiliar’ accent (just a very funny one).

 

is your wife good to stay do you know and did she vote?

Sorry I wanted to clarify a story with her before I wrote it.

Firstly yes my wife is good to stay so that's not problem. 

Yes she did vote.

My wife works in the nhs and she's had patients be racist to her as well as colleagues although so does stress it's more patients. The racism/criticisms from colleagues mainly centre around promotions or when she's received praise ie "she only got that job cos of quotas or she's foreign" 

However it's the patients that make me laugh(personally if was me I'd say f you but she's more dignified then me) she's been told she should sod off back to her country,called an immigrant,spat at and insulted based on the fact she has a very slight accent and very olive skin. The story I wanted to clarify happened a few years ago when the talk of possible brexit vote started taking steam about 3-4 years back. A guy she was treating turned round to her and said"at least when you lot get kicked out I'll get to see a British doctor" the ironic part was my wife had been in this country about 10years before he was even born.

She does maintain the large majority are lovely but she does seem to get shit fairly regularly

[glastolover19]

19 minutes ago, eastynh said:

 

For clarity I didn't say he was a racist

[glastolover19]

37 minutes ago, clarkete said:

Prove it.

That was never true during the campaign, hence Gove's widely mocked line about experts which you are  paraphrasing to your own ends. 

As for business, science, engineering, education, health,etc every sector you can think of had groups which spoke of the consequences and they were never in positive terms.

The Leave campaign exploited the balance rules of the beeb and the bias of their sympathetic papers to push Dyson, Bamford and the like, so there was a group of 99 business people countered by about 3, who for the most part will not be affected. 

How many do you want me to find?

[eastynh]

6 minutes ago, glastolover19 said:

For clarity I didn't say he was a racist

Mate if you have been on here more than 15 minutes then surely you should have clicked by now that I need only the most tenuous of link to mention New Order, Depeche Mode or post Father Ted meme's. If it has not dawned on you yet, then I am slacking ?

[Blisterpack]

47 minutes ago, HalfAnIdiot said:

Which companies are planning to leave please?

Locally I can tell you that Airbus sent letters to the entire workforce before the referendum advising that it would be nigh on impossible for them to operate outside of the customs union, given the ‘just in time’ nature of their manufacturing process and the fact that over 90% of components arrive from the EU. They are not saying that Brexit itself will be the camel breaking straw, but not being in the CU. That should have informed the basis of our negotiations but it hasn’t. We have had “Brexit means Brexit.”  Or ‘Economic Suicide’ as the 97% of economic experts might have called it. And indeed did. 

Oh, and Peugeot the new owners of the Vauxhall plant at Ellesmere Port have said the same. The Customs Union underpins 50% of trade for our manufacturing industry. We are fucked.

[HalfAnIdiot]

55 minutes ago, Homer said:

 

Nissan and other motoring companies have mooted it and are waiting and watching.

But Nissan aren't planning to leave. They are issuing warnings of trading being more difficult hnder a hard Brexit but there is absolutely no evidence they are planning to leave under a hard, soft or 'semi" Brexit.

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2018/oct/04/nissan-becomes-latest-manufacturer-to-warn-against-hard-brexit

We can't complain that the leave campaign were lying and then not stick to the facts.