Extra security

[Swine_Glasto2014]

Not sure if this has been mentioned before but in light of the Manchester attack and the cancellation of this gig in Germany.... Do we think Glastonbury could be under threat or will we see a big increase in security? 

Might well be a huge under cover operation going on! 

[guypjfreak]

That's a secret old son 

[Cooter]

It's already been discussed here in much detail and yes, no doubt the festival will be well covered by some extra security/police etc. A big part has already been in place for many years by means of a photo id ticket to gain entry and exit.

[Slugworth]

11 minutes ago, Cooter said:

It's already been discussed here in much detail and yes, no doubt the festival will be well covered by some extra security/police etc. A big part has already been in place for many years by means of a photo id ticket to gain entry and exit.

I do sometimes wonder if the list of Glastonbury goers are checked against 'the list' the security services have of potential threats.

In regards to the photo id ticket. We only have to register using a photo and an email account so not exactly a full proof.

[Cooter]

Just now, Slugworth said:

I do sometimes wonder if the list of Glastonbury goers are checked against 'the list' the security services have of potential threats.

In regards to the photo id ticket. We only have to register using a photo and an email account so not exactly a full proof.

 

The photo id is a good start and it's something the festival and authorities could check up within minutes/hours maybe, if budget allowed? Which it should do at the moment. All a bit big brother and all that but for the sake of nipping something so disastrous in the bud I say go for it.

[Slugworth]

2 minutes ago, Cooter said:

 

The photo id is a good start and it's something the festival and authorities could check up within minutes/hours maybe, if budget allowed? Which it should do at the moment. All a bit big brother and all that but for the sake of nipping something so disastrous in the bud I say go for it.

I agree. 

[___S_o_m_a__]

What we need is not just photo and addresses on the ticket - because that can be forged easily - but hair, blood, urine and DNA swabs taken of every potential attendee, artist and worker before you can even think about going to Glastonbury.

Oh you don't want to give those? Well you're a suspect then and that precludes entry.

 

 

 

[BambooShanks]

The counter argument to that is, could it and would that tool be abused by the powers that be? insofar as flagging people who wouldn't otherwise be a problem, but for whatever reason it was decided that they were a risk?   

Not that I disagree, if it guarantees public safety, I'm all for it as long as it's used correctly

[Cooter]

1 minute ago, ___S_o_m_a__ said:

What we need is not just photo and addresses on the ticket - because that can be forged easily - but hair, blood, urine and DNA swabs taken of every potential attendee, artist and worker before you can even think about going to Glastonbury.

Oh you don't want to give those? Well you're a suspect then and that precludes entry.

 

 

 

Slightly ott, but a name, address and pic is a good start. We all hate it as much as anyone else but if extra security makes us feel safer then thats fine with me.

[___S_o_m_a__]

Just now, Cooter said:

Slightly ott, but a name, address and pic is a good start. We all hate it as much as anyone else but if extra security makes us feel safer then thats fine with me.

A good start to what though? Where would you like it to end?

[Cooter]

Just now, ___S_o_m_a__ said:

A good start to what though? Where would you like it to end?

Er, where exactly would you like it to end? The current threat situation is bad to say the least. Do you not think we have to take some sort of extra security stance? If no, then why bother fighting against anything we care about?

[bsolxiv]

3 minutes ago, Cooter said:

Er, where exactly would you like it to end? The current threat situation is bad to say the least. Do you not think we have to take some sort of extra security stance? If no, then why bother fighting against anything we care about?

Is it any worse than when the IRA were at their peak? I think the thought of using our photos and details to "profile" festival goers is not so great, and surely against the values of the Glastonbury festival?

[OneLittleFish]

I can see them being very strict indeed with the photos on the tickets matching and asking for ID checks.

[HalfAnIdiot]

19 minutes ago, ___S_o_m_a__ said:

What we need is not just photo and addresses on the ticket - because that can be forged easily - but hair, blood, urine and DNA swabs taken of every potential attendee, artist and worker before you can even think about going to Glastonbury.

Oh you don't want to give those? Well you're a suspect then and that precludes entry.

 

 

 

I understand your sentiment but fundamentally disagree with it. I do not want my DNA on any database. That introduces a significant risk of abuse or leakage of the data leading to fuck knows what consequence.

No enhanced ID system will stop the home grown 'clean skin' attack (which is what we have been experiencing. 

Do not give away your liberty for a perceived but mistaken increase in personal safety.

We only defeat this shit by standing together and getting on with the party.

Take a lesson from Manchester on Sunday. Rock on Ariana!

[Guest]

Yep, we'll each be allocated our own personal security 'pal' who will accompany us wherever we go during the whole weekend.

We'll be perfectly safe.

[arcade fireman]

25 minutes ago, Cooter said:

Slightly ott, but a name, address and pic is a good start. We all hate it as much as anyone else but if extra security makes us feel safer then thats fine with me.

There'd be very little way of verifying any of those things. So it'd serve absolutely no function on any kind of security database, even if you put aside the security concerns. Potential attackers can just put a fake name/address on there, unless you want to start photo IDing every single person too...

[paulshane]

3 minutes ago, HalfAnIdiot said:

I understand your sentiment but fundamentally disagree with it. I do not want my DNA on any database. That introduces a significant risk of abuse or leakage of the data leading to fuck knows what consequence.

No enhanced ID system will stop the home grown 'clean skin' attack (which is what we have been experiencing. 

Do not give away your liberty for a perceived but mistaken increase in personal safety.

We only defeat this shit by standing together and getting on with the party.

Take a lesson from Manchester on Sunday. Rock on Ariana!

I'm pretty sure soma is being sarcastic

 

 

[HalfAnIdiot]

1 minute ago, paulshane said:

I'm pretty sure soma is being sarcastic

 

 

He/she is not very good at it then !

[musky]

Some people really need to get a grip.

[Waapster]

2 minutes ago, HalfAnIdiot said:

He/she is not very good at it then !

Well I got it. There's a clue in the second paragraph.

Security at Glastonbury will be advanced. They will be members of the security group that meets regularly for all major UK events - Wembley, Wimbledon, Chelsea flower Show etc. Easy enough to scan submitted photos against watch lists (where photos are available) although I doubt this happens. More likely, in my view, is on site cameras checking photos against a database. That really is old and cheap tech.

However, the biggest defence we have is intelligence led policing. GCHQ listen to and watch vast amounts of communications. People of interest discussing the FA cup final or the flower show or Glastonbury should ring alarm bells. Manchester shows us this is not foolproof but it is bound to be underway.

And don't be spooked. An attack is unlikely but where they do happen, even with terrible consequences, the vast majority of people in the venue escape unharmed.

[MetaKate]

I'd say the effort alone to get tickets/arrive at the music festival itself would be a bit discouraging to a potential attack. I think the areas outside of the festival are more of a risk, but once actually inside the fence it would be a somewhat difficult task to do an attack. 

I can't imagine a guy registering, getting a ticket by refreshing 100 times, waiting 8 months, then somehow get to the festival with what is necessary to launch an attack, by car? Public transport? Sitting in traffic or lugging it on the train. Then trekking it in the potential rain or quicksand mud into an area that would mean it's effective. It would seem like maximum effort for a result that would be achievable with minimum effort. 

I'm not naive enough to think it isn't possible but it seems rather unlikely. Too many things that could go wrong. I'll be much more aware of my surroundings when I'm in the train station on Wednesday morning, but once I'm on site I'll feel safe whether it's a false sense of security or not. 

[HalfAnIdiot]

I'm aware of all that (probably more than most) and completely un-spooked thanks.

The security risk  here is the sheer amount of gear that is taken on site. 

Expect much tougher bag searchers and more dogs at the gates (not the ones looking for smarties).

Consequently queues will be longer.

(I still don't see the sarcasm tho, needs to try harder)

 

[Waapster]

5 minutes ago, HalfAnIdiot said:

I'm aware of all that (probably more than most) and completely un-spooked thanks.

The security risk  here is the sheer amount of gear that is taken on site. 

Expect much tougher bag searchers and more dogs at the gates (not the ones looking for smarties).

Consequently queues will be longer.

(I still don't see the sarcasm tho, needs to try harder)

 

Hi @HalfAnIdiot. Only my first sentence was a reply to you. The rest was a more general comment. I didn't mean to imply that you were acting spooked.

x

[Chawk]

Our best defense is obsessiveness. If you want to combat terrorism then just F5 harder and have those reg numbers ready.

[MetaKate]

Also, if they did manage to get a ticket, they agreed to the pledge. "Love the farm, leave no trace" 

THE CONTRACT IS BINDING.