US Presidential Election 2016

[Spindles]

16 minutes ago, 5co77ie said:

...so is there anything positive we can take from this?

 

Sleeping pills.

[russycarps]

2 minutes ago, zahidf said:

Yeah, the right won. NATO is fucked, hope everyone is ready for real, pre WW1 instability

As soon as trump learns that nato is vital for american power the status quo will be maintained. EVERYTHING he said in the run up to the election should now be disregarded.

 

[The Nal]

6 minutes ago, russycarps said:

yes, hillary clinton isnt president.

Sending podesta out to tell her supporters to go home, then conceding in a dark corner? says it all about her character.

Yes trump is a bully and all the rest and it's awful that he's now the most powerful man in the world, but it is a positive thing that the bush/clinton dynasty has been destroyed.

Talk of WW3 is absurd.

 

Yep people really going OTT about this. Hes not as bad as his campaign suggests. 

Hilary not speaking a poor move. 

Obamas legacy is fucked now too. Crazy times. 

[eFestivals]

2 minutes ago, zahidf said:

Yeah, the right won. NATO is fucked, hope everyone is ready for real, pre WW1 instability

it's much more like WW2, with the rise of nationalism and country's being out only for themselves, and the Mail going the full fascist.

The only real similarity to WW1 is the strange death of liberal England - amusingly enough for not dissimilar reasons.

[Mr.Tease]

9 minutes ago, eFestivals said:

would that be like how the tories would tear themselves apart over the brexit campaign, and how they'd tear themselves apart no matter what the result, and how they'll tear themselves apart over a50....?

 

Can't you let me have this one crumb of hope/fantasy ?!?!  

[eFestivals]

1 minute ago, russycarps said:

As soon as trump learns that nato is vital for american power the status quo will be maintained. EVERYTHING he said in the run up to the election should now be disregarded.

 

Not sure about that. The Mexican peso hasn't crashed for no reason.

I'm not on about 'the wall' - tho that might happen, basically as a job creation scheme - but the north american free trade agreement. 

Trump won't be as nutty as his campaign, but some of it is going to come true.

[grumpyhack]

On holiday eight years ago I met a group of people from Oregon who were delighted at Obama's win. They explained: "Thank goodness we can now travel and meet people without having to pretend we're from Canada."

Stand by to start meeting a lot more 'Canadians'.

[eFestivals]

Just now, Mr.Tease said:

Can't you let me have this one crumb of hope/fantasy ?!?!  

the likes of brexit and Trump keep on winning because 'the left' won't face up to its faults. So no, not really.

'The left' only wants to scream about how the other side is nasty, and aren't able to present their own coherent  - and acceptable - vision. Until that changes we're only going to get more of the same.

Someone mentioned France above, and while I think things might change there, Hollande is one of the few that did face up to failure, so i'm hopeful that might not go the full nutter.

 

[russycarps]

2 minutes ago, eFestivals said:

Not sure about that. The Mexican peso hasn't crashed for no reason.

I'm not on about 'the wall' - tho that might happen, basically as a job creation scheme - but the north american free trade agreement. 

Trump won't be as nutty as his campaign, but some of it is going to come true.

Yes I'm sure there will be a half-arsed fence put up, but I cant see many of the major scare stories coming true. He just said whatever it took to win the election. 

While it's embarrassing for america, it's still another victory for democracy.

I felt much more despondent after the brexit vote.

Time will tell anyway.

 

[The Nal]

Theres going to be no wall built, no mass deportations, no bombings, no banning of Muslims, no locking up Hillary and no getting rid of NAFTA. Although he may try to negotiate that. 

We basically haven't a clue what hes going to do. But hes basically saved the Republican Party. Which is mental. Lefties and democrats as guilty as anyone for this. Romney and McCain were attacked like they were Hitler when the reality was they were fairly moderate Republicans. 

Edited November 9, 2016 by The Nal

[kaosmark2]

25 minutes ago, eFestivals said:

would that be like how the tories would tear themselves apart over the brexit campaign, and how they'd tear themselves apart no matter what the result, and how they'll tear themselves apart over a50....?

 

The tories are tearing themselves apart over a50, but labour's mess means they have the time to regroup. 

[Mr.Tease]

16 minutes ago, eFestivals said:

the likes of brexit and Trump keep on winning because 'the left' won't face up to its faults. So no, not really.

'The left' only wants to scream about how the other side is nasty, and aren't able to present their own coherent  - and acceptable - vision. Until that changes we're only going to get more of the same.

Someone mentioned France above, and while I think things might change there, Hollande is one of the few that did face up to failure, so i'm hopeful that might not go the full nutter.

 

But Hollande has the worst ratings of any French president in history!

In fact he is a good example of the problem with your strategy, get it wrong and you alienate your left wing supporters and fail to win over the right or centre leaving you with a wipe out. 

I agree the left needs to sort its stuff out, but that's going to be difficult as they're being pulled in different conflicting directions  by their old core voting coalitions. 

Edited November 9, 2016 by Mr.Tease

[pink_triangle]

11 minutes ago, The Nal said:

Theres going to be no wall built, no mass deportations, no bombings, no banning of Muslims, no locking up Hillary and no getting rid of NAFTA. Although he may try to negotiate that. 

We basically haven't a clue what hes going to do. But hes basically saved the Republican Party. Which is mental. Lefties and democrats as guilty as anyone for this. Romney and McCain were attacked like they were Hitler when the reality was they were fairly moderate Republicans. 

For all the criticism of his campaign, the campaign he ran was the only campaign that could possibly win for him.  I agree he wont do anything he promises and if (as I suspect) he is only planning to serve one term, he wont have to answer for these broken promises.

[zahidf]

1 minute ago, Mr.Tease said:

But Hollande has the worst ratings of any French president in history! 

yeah it wont be hollande. It may well be la pen or sarkozy's party in France.

And assuming Trump isnt a terrible person is not looking at reality. He is going to fuck all of us up really badly

[LJS]

welcome to Trumpton

 

 

 

[zahidf]

2 minutes ago, pink_triangle said:

For all the criticism of his campaign, the campaign he ran was the only campaign that could possibly win for him.  I agree he wont do anything he promises and if (as I suspect) he is only planning to serve one term, he wont have to answer for these broken promises.

There is absolutely no basis for u to say that. The GOP are in full control of all the major govt institutions. The far right has won in America.

[eFestivals]

2 minutes ago, kaosmark2 said:

The tories are tearing themselves apart over a50, but labour's mess means they have the time to regroup. 

but they're not.

Just like 'the left', they don't have a plan either, but they're not screaming that no one has a plan or that any suggested plan is the wrong plan, and so revealing their own inadequacies.

They might have disagreements about what they'd like out of brexit, but they're pragmatic enough to accept the UK voted out and the deal they might want isn't in just-their control - and so will go along with what it brings.

[The Nal]

2 minutes ago, zahidf said:

There is absolutely no basis for u to say that. The GOP are in full control of all the major govt institutions. The far right has won in America.

To be fair its a little simplistic to assume all people involved are far right. Theres a lot of moderate Republicans who will be in high positions. Just as theres a lot of very right leaning Democrats. Particularly in the south. 

[pink_triangle]

1 minute ago, zahidf said:

There is absolutely no basis for u to say that. The GOP are in full control of all the major govt institutions. The far right has won in America.

I dont understand why the GOP being in full control contradicts what I said, which part dont you agree with?

1. They way he ran his campaign was the only way Donald Trump could win the presidency

2. He wont deliver the promises he made during the campaign

3. He will only serve one term

[pink_triangle]

1 minute ago, The Nal said:

To be fair its a little simplistic to assume all people involved are far right. Theres a lot of moderate Republicans who will be in high positions. Just as theres a lot of very right leaning Democrats. Particularly in the south. 

Also you could argue how conservative Trump really is. He certainly isnt seen by many republicans as being very conservative and has supported both parties in the past.

[eFestivals]

7 minutes ago, Mr.Tease said:

But Hollande has the worst ratings of any French president in history! 

Yep. I wasn't suggesting he's popular, just that he faced up to (some of) his mistakes and created a different narrative by doing so.  It's not handed the narrative to the nutters (not to the same extent, anyway) as happened here and in the USA.

 

[zahidf]

1 minute ago, pink_triangle said:

I dont understand why the GOP being in full control contradicts what I said, which part dont you agree with?

1. They way he ran his campaign was the only way Donald Trump could win the presidency

2. He wont deliver the promises he made during the campaign

3. He will only serve one term

well 2. and possibly 3. We have to assume he will do what he promised. Its what the GOP wants to do as well!

[eFestivals]

5 minutes ago, zahidf said:

There is absolutely no basis for u to say that. The GOP are in full control of all the major govt institutions. The far right has won in America.

did you not notice that the GOP have different ideas to Trump?

You're doing that screaming banchee thing yet again. Thinking is more fruitful.

 

[eFestivals]

2 minutes ago, zahidf said:

We have to assume he will do what he promised. Its what the GOP wants to do as well!

have you been on holiday to Mars for the last year...?

 

[zahidf]

3 minutes ago, eFestivals said:

did you not notice that the GOP have different ideas to Trump?

You're doing that screaming banchee thing yet again. Thinking is more fruitful.

 

On trade and economics maybe. Not om climate change, health care, minority rights or abortion

 

also, only he has the Nuke codes

Edited November 9, 2016 by zahidf