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feral chile last won the day on September 25 2016

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  1. I bit of both I think. I'm Welsh, our politics at the time (including our teachers) involved Welsh independence and radical socialism (miners). The community was very well organised, the mining community clubbed together for the families, hospitals, holidays, all sorts. Coal could be nicked from the local colliery. None of us had fridges, phones, colour televisions, just one coal fire in the whole house, nearly everyone worked in the pits. It was still open in the 1970s. Maybe we were insulated from it until the pit closed in the 80s? Or as part of the unrest, saw it differently? Anyway, that radical spirit and organised community's long gone.
  2. This article resonates with me. https://www.thecourier.co.uk/fp/past-times/2624645/fuel-supply-crisis/
  3. Not monetarism particularly, but "there is no such thing as society". I was a teenager in the 70s, so insulated from the worst of it, or something. My husband's a bit older, has no qualifications, and is dyslexic. He remembers getting work with ease, and changing jobs on a whim. Just going to the next one straight from the current one. So reading about the economics of the 70s and our lived life experience was very different. The 80s and 90s are the age I associate with financial hardship. The measures used to tackle inflation caused hardship for people who were at the lower end ofbthe payscale (like us) when interest rates soared. Now it's the price of houses. They were cheap in Wales in the 70s, but we had low wages, especially women. I think there's a point I'm struggling to express here. How things look on paper regarding how well a country's doing needs to be balanced against inequality within. Any measures putting the squeeze on people is bound to hit the lower paid harder, they can't absorb it so well, so the country prospers/recovers at the expense of some of its nationals. We fell off the laddercearly 90s after a decade of struggle, downsizing, and debt, and never really bounced back, so don't think we're being smug about the 70s. Just a bit confused.
  4. I pretty much think everything they did was idealism, just as I think austerity was. It was all about shrinking the state.
  5. Truthfully, when I read back to how bad things were in the 70s, I feel like I must have existed in a parallel universe. I only applied for one job at 16, straight from school, got it. Bought a big house, no sweat at all. No rich family handouts, nothing. Everything that came later was really hard. Redundancies, homelessness, bankruptcy. So empathy works both ways. There are winners and losers within the UK economy, such is the nature of the beast, the inequality that creates wealth. Oh, and the problem with equality is the levelling down necessary for the levelling up.
  6. ❤ Best wishes for you and your family xx
  7. Neither am I. I can't see a choice except for inflation to rise. The Tories say they're about free market economy, but working benefits serve to support business by helping to keep wages low. If Brexit/Covid/bad working conditions create labour shortages that result in higher wages, if labour is actually subject to free market conditions, resulting in higher cost of living....I don't know. I don't want a return of the 80s (despite my post earlier I'd have thought the 80s were more likely than nationalisation and strong state of the 70s), but throwing money at subsidising living costs because wages don't cover basic needs seems wrong when it affects so many.
  8. Yeah, started in 1979. Lucky us, perfect timing.
  9. https://economy2030.resolutionfoundation.org/reports/the-uks-decisive-decade/ If not, it can be downloaded from this link. It's a bit heavy for me, but you economists might find it interesting.
  10. https://linksharing.samsungcloud.com/dDpcvHgzUeuh Anyway, does this link work? This is a bit of light reading.
  11. You lot are hard work 🤣 Anyway, how was your day? 😘
  12. Compared to what? 80s? Now? It's been crap for decades. All I know is how much harder it is for people to buy or even rent a decent home now, how often it takes 2 wages and working benefits just to survive. We all use our own experience to assess current situations. I'm from mining stock, where houses were historically cheaper than England, from communities that were destroyed in the 80s. Of course anything pre pit closures will seem like a golden age. And of course people who thrived then, or later, will think things are better now.
  13. Avoidance to what exactly? I popped back to engage, not have a pissing contest. Yes your dick is bigger, happy now?
  14. I agree that the Labour members who post around here can only see their own wants 😛 I also agree that non members probably couldn't care less about the infighting apart from the fact that we need an opposition.
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