Muse

[Hugh Jass]

My main working theory is that it's all nonsense.

My much preferred working theory is that a deal was struck with Muse that stated they would headline if no other suitable act was available. If someone better came along they'd step aside (why they'd agree to this I'm not sure). This is why people think it's Muse as they're the headliner as it stands.

[roughbloke]

2 minutes ago, Hugh Jass said:

My main working theory is that it's all nonsense.

My much preferred working theory is that a deal was struck with Muse that stated they would headline if no other suitable act was available. If someone better came along they'd step aside (why they'd agree to this I'm not sure). This is why people think it's Muse as they're the headliner as it stands.

Surely no band would sign a contract that was essentially "you're booked for this slot but we're still going to search for better acts. If we find one, you're playing lower but if not, you'll do"

[Hugh Jass]

1 minute ago, endswithMJ said:

Surely no band would sign a contract that was essentially "you're booked for this slot but we're still going to search for better acts. If we find one, you're playing lower but if not, you'll do"

I did say it was a working theory. 

[FloorFiller]

yeah i think it's nonsense and that, unfortunately, Muse are booked to headline. the fact that Muse are still being talked about at this point, even in these wild theories, is rather damning i'd have thought

[roughbloke]

I personally can't see Muse playing anywhere apart from headline. UNLESS, they are doing a secret set. 

[stocky3000]

Muse headlining just doesn't seem to fit the policy of getting an album on the first album cycle. 

It is a bit stale where as Radiohead seem to fit the criteria more.

I just can't imagine a Muse show in the light though 

The mind boggles

[FloorFiller]

Just now, stocky3000 said:

Muse headlining just doesn't seem to fit the policy of getting an album on the first album cycle. 

It is a bit stale where as Radiohead seem to fit the criteria more.

I just can't imagine a Muse show in the light though 

The mind boggles

yeah if Muse hadn't been so heavily rumoured i'd have written them off from the get go and would be expecting a Radiohead announcement for sure, but there must be a reason several tabloids have all linked Muse with the festival

[robu]

21 minutes ago, FloorFiller said:

 there must be a reason several tabloids have all linked Muse with the festival

Bear in mind that if one tabloid links Muse with the festival, all the others will follow suit without any attempt at checking the facts (and I say this as a ex-Fleet Street journalist)

[FloorFiller]

Just now, robu said:

Bear in mind that if one tabloid links Muse with the festival, all the others will follow suit without any attempt at checking the facts (and I say this as a ex-Fleet Street journalist)

usually i would agree, but two separate tabloids (who are both usually pretty good with this stuff) reported Muse and Coldplay as headliners, yet one listed Foo Fighters as the third headliner and the other listed Adele, so they're not just copying each other and obviously have their own sources

[robu]

1 minute ago, FloorFiller said:

usually i would agree, but two separate tabloids (who are both usually pretty good with this stuff) reported Muse and Coldplay as headliners, yet one listed Foo Fighters as the third headliner and the other listed Adele, so they're not just copying each other and obviously have their own sources

Sorry, but no. There are umpteen permutations to this conundrum, but applying Ockham's razor, the most logical explanation is one of the tabloids heard a suggestion of Muse and Coldplay, which the other tabloid repeated without knowing its veracity. And then Foo Fighters and Adele are educated guesses.

Sure, the tabs sometimes have sources and sometimes get it right, but if you look back over the last however many years, I bet you find just as many instances of them getting it wrong as right. Wasn't Wham! mooted last year or the year before?

[FloorFiller]

hmm no. these things weren't reported as 'guesses' - these newspapers (the two i'm talking about in particular) have sources and have gotten this stuff right in the past (one was the first to break the news of The Who last year, for instance, whilst we were all under the impression they were still booked up for another show that night). and yeah, they sometimes get it wrong, but when several reputable sources are all claiming the same thing due to their own sources, you can;t just discount them because 'it might be a guess'

[arcade fireman]

But equally you can't use two newspapers as proof if they've reported the third headliner as different. At least one of them will have a duff source for this year. 

[eFestivals]

1 hour ago, endswithMJ said:

Surely no band would sign a contract that was essentially "you're booked for this slot but we're still going to search for better acts. If we find one, you're playing lower but if not, you'll do"

Glastonbury sort-of do that already ... tho in a less harsh way.

Acts get booked as sub, and told they might get bumped up to headline. Kasabian is a recent example who ended up headlining.

[eFestivals]

1 hour ago, FloorFiller said:

yeah if Muse hadn't been so heavily rumoured i'd have written them off from the get go and would be expecting a Radiohead announcement for sure, but there must be a reason several tabloids have all linked Muse with the festival

and that reason is that some bands were being told that Muse would probably be the Friday headliner.

 

[eFestivals]

46 minutes ago, robu said:

Bear in mind that if one tabloid links Muse with the festival, all the others will follow suit without any attempt at checking the facts (and I say this as a ex-Fleet Street journalist)

I've had info about Muse come to me directly.

I can't guarantee what I was told is accurate, but everything else I've had from the same geezer has proven to be accurate.

 

[roughbloke]

2 minutes ago, eFestivals said:

Glastonbury sort-of do that already ... tho in a less harsh way.

Acts get booked as sub, and told they might get bumped up to headline. Kasabian is a recent example who ended up headlining.

yeah, booked as a sub makes sense. But they wouldn't get "booked" as a headliner and told that they may get pushed down as they search for another act. 

[SwedgeAntilles]

Perhaps Muse are pragmatic enough to be thinking that due to their lack of brand new material at the moment subbing to a 'big' act isn't the worst idea in the world? 

Keeps them relevant for people between album releases and it's a fairly easy booking for them due to their history of playing at the farm. 

All just wild speculation of course. 

[Mezhyp1]

12 minutes ago, eFestivals said:

I've had info about Muse come to me directly.

I can't guarantee what I was told is accurate, but everything else I've had from the same geezer has proven to be accurate.

 

Have you been close to going TBC any of the headliners Neil? 

[eFestivals]

9 minutes ago, endswithMJ said:

yeah, booked as a sub makes sense. But they wouldn't get "booked" as a headliner and told that they may get pushed down as they search for another act. 

Nope.

But I don't think it's impossible Glasto might have a convo with band they're on good terms with, to say (for example) "Prince has just phoned up and asked to play, but we can only say yes if we can give him a headline slot. Is there anything you can suggest?"

There's ways it might get done that aren't saying to the 'pushed aside' band that the festival thinks they're a bit shit really.

Having said I don't think it's impossible, I don't really think that sort of thing is likely.

[Gucci Piggy]

This is awful.

Only way is if they're a 4th headliner like Coldplay were supposed to be in 2009. If that were the case, however, I'd expect the one not playing last would be Adele due to the others' stage shows (this assumes Radiohead as the final headliner). Unless Muse were booked after the other three/asked to play when Glasto wanted the other three.

[LondonTom]

On 1/29/2016 at 11:42 AM, FloorFiller said:

i thought that, but what dance act could even be considered big enough to justify bumping Muse down, unless that Jean Michel Jarre stuff was right and he demanded darkness/a closing set?

Mhmm maybe its a mixup, Muse headline (with that set length) and JMJ does something after?  Muse are big into stage production, so a chance to maybe with work with him/having him after with something spectacular could have been tempting?

On 1/29/2016 at 0:01 PM, FloorFiller said:

Neil, if what you heard was true about Muse at least being pencilled in as a headliner at some point then surely this means they essentially stepped down as headliner willingly to make way for another? which seems rather strange

The only band I could see Muse subbing to is Led Zep, or at a push RATM

[Keithy]

On 29/01/2016 at 3:01 PM, eFestivals said:

"Prince has just phoned up and asked to play, "

I bloody knew it! I might have had a few G&T's but what the hell. Muse into Prince. It's finally happening!!*

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

* or maybe not.

[Keithy]

In all seriousness though, surely the only way Muse play and not be a pyramid headliner is Other Headliner, Friday Opener or they headline JP tent but make it very clear they are playing the Drones album and none of the greatest (s)hits.

[Gucci Piggy]

31 minutes ago, Keithy said:

In all seriousness though, surely the only way Muse play and not be a pyramid headliner is Other Headliner, Friday Opener or they headline JP tent but make it very clear they are playing the Drones album and none of the greatest (s)hits.

No chance any of them imo. Okay maybe slight chance of Friday opener but it'd be a huge change from all the others acts they've had in that slot.

Only way I see is if they're a 4th headliner like Coldplay were supposedly gonna be in 2009.

Edited January 31, 2016 by Will-2609

[eFestivals]

so ... a little more on this "Muse won't be headlining" thing that I heard.

I said I knew nothing about the source, but now I do. And I've got to say that I think it's more unlikely than likely that this source has good info because of where he's placed in things, but that doesn't necessarily mean the info is bad. All sorts of people do end up with the accurate info, and the difficulty is sorting the good from the bad.

And yet ... it's such an oddity to suggest Muse won't be headlining but will be playing that there's something about it which makes me think perhaps there's something to it.