Kanye West

[frostypaw]

I don't really think you're chatting shit mate but it's just frustrating when you see someone trying to do something genuinely different and booking different guests and they get shut down for it. Of course it won't always work but it's kinda the name of the game right? If they don't branch out into other genres then they'll be stuck in a download like rut where they essentially are booking the same bands over and over again because IMO frankly rock and roll is pretty much dead in the modern music scene.

That's perfectly fair, I don't mean to shut them down for it - just think this choice was particularly poor.

It's not an unvisited genre for them and I don't think badly of them for trying this, but not sure it's a risk that worked this time. I thought JayZ went down better by remembering he was playing a festival and playing up to it - it'd be amazing to visit the parallel universe where Kanye played a festival-focused set to see how that went instead

As to rock and roll being dead I think that has to sit alongside all the claims that dance music has given all it's got to give. It may be past it's prime but genres are like zombies

[greenArmy12]

Out of intrigue I watched the set when I got home, it really wasn't the 'train wreck' it was made out to be, yeah it definitely wasn't the most coherent and slick performance I've ever seen and I was bored shitless due to the fact I don't like his music in any way but it has been blown up way out of proportion but I guess that's the bed you make with all his ludicrous claims. good for you who enjoyed it and for those who didn't that's what the other 70 odd stages are for

Edited July 2, 2015 by greenArmy12

[Spud001]

they've edited out all the gaps

No they haven't

[Frankly Mr Shankly]

they've edited out all the gaps

Bull shit.

But then, I wouldn't expect anything less from you.

[russycarps]

I'd be interested to know in all honesty how those at Jay Z thought Kanye compared?

 

 

I despised Jay Z. It seemed so contrived. I am not a hip hop fan and his gig confirmed my initial fears of what live hip hop would be: just a man pretending to be angry and shouting crap at us for 90 minutes, with another man pretending to be angry shouting stuff at us alongside him. 

 

The live band was pointless. I didnt appreciate being patronised, as if I couldnt enjoy music unless it had a "rock" element to it. It was just a big typical american pop star load of shit. 

 

Kanye west on the otherhand, I felt like I was watching something that was true to who he was. He didnt change things to try and get us all on side. He did what he did and we can take it or leave it. No compromise, and why should he? While jay z was bending over backwards and taking it up the arse being something he is not, kanye west didnt give a shit about things and let his music do the talking. And I respected him a lot more because of it.

 

Plus the sparse stage setting for kanye west worked much much better than the las vegas set up of jay z (admittedly I cant quite remember what his stage set up was, but the fact it was utterly forgettable says it all). I will never forget the low lights of kanye west. Just him under those lights amid the smoke worked really well, you couldnt take your eyes off him.

 

That's my take on it anyway.

Edited July 2, 2015 by russycarps

[FuzzyDunlop]

He's a fucking fascinating person on every level.

Really? It baffles me why.

I think he is a completely boring person on every level. Someone I just don't care about in the slightest.

He is a massive star, but in the same way that Lewis Hamilton or The Stars of American Football are. People I know exist, but I have nothing in common with and they don't effect or interest me an any way.

If it wasn't a Glastonbury performance I would never have tried getting into Kanye's music. I have tried to get onboard with this, as a giant fuck you to the people who petitioned etc, but ultimately I am bored by him.

Edited July 2, 2015 by FuzzyDunlop

[grandadcollective]

Jay-Z was a different kettle of fish altogether. His performance paved the way for Kanye and I applaud him for bringing a band and being willing to work with the crowd. He brought a lot of the crowd in with that move...he considered his part in it and in parts was warm funny and clearly taken aback by the response. Jay-Z was one of my favourite pyramid headliner experiences.

[Frankly Mr Shankly]

What's that for ?

Your inaccurate posts...

As proven by the fact that you haven't even watched the footage before boldly claiming 'they edited out the gaps'

[paulmuchmore]

Unlike other acts, they showed the whole set live on BBC2, unedited.

 

Watching it now and haven't noticed any gaps, apart from the Black Skinhead restart, and I'm up to Blood on the Leaves (song 11). Most of the songs have segued from one into the next instantly.

[Rose-Colored Boy]

The crane one is there in full. In fact it seems to go on longer on the TV than it felt like it did in real life.

[The Nal]

Theres a sort of sense from some in this thread that if you criticise Kayne you're a rockist, or out of touch with popular culture, or a moaner, or just went along to be able to say hes shit.

 

From my point of view I went to see a good show, to see someone I hadn't seen before. And it was just plain good old fashioned fucking boring.

 

The fact of the matter is that by now hes already back to his real job of selling overpriced clothes. 

 

 

The crane one is there in full. In fact it seems to go on longer on the TV than it felt like it did in real life.

 

A cheap stunt to paper over the cracks.

Edited July 2, 2015 by The Nal

[Frankly Mr Shankly]

Someone said there weren't any gaps. Other acts had their sets edited. It was a reasonably logical conclusion.

Maybe so, but it's not the first time you've posted your incorrect 'conclusions' as fact.

Anyway, this thread is going round in circles. Some people enjoyed Kanye, some didn't. It's just a shame that those who didn't feel the need to resort to any lengths possible to justify why it was a 'shambles'.

[Frankly Mr Shankly]

shall I ignore the fact that you can't come up with any other examples?

it's also a shame that the people who did like it can't accept that others didn't

I fully accept that people didn't like it, my first post in this thread was stating that I could see why a lot of people would have been put off by the set. Yet another example of you using one of your incorrect 'conclusions' as fact...

[Spud001]

I don't care if people don't like something I do like. I do care about people attributing fact to their opinion though.

I admire any artists unflinching self confidence, if you don't think you are putting on the best show or the best album then what is the point. Wonder why plenty of bands can get away with it but a hip-hop act can't....

But that's a whole other discussion.

[Frankly Mr Shankly]

I never said anything about you specifically.

Hey ho....

Tony Blair by name, Tony Blair by nature it seems.

As you were.

[paulmuchmore]

So watching the set on the TV, there was a brief restart on the Bon Iver track - Mike pressed play before Justin was ready. Not that big a deal.

 

With the crane fiasco, the silence was 2 minutes long. If the backing track hadn't been played mistakenly and aborted, and there'd just been silence in that gap, it'd have been a pretty standard gap for you to say it was him going off and coming back for an encore on the crane. The fact the track was played mistakenly changed the perception of it completely.

[CaledonianGonzo]

From memory I think there was a minor error that was actually Bon Iver's fault as he hadn't switched off his autotune.

Anyway, I had a listen to Yeezus this morning again on the back of the show and I think my bewilderment/fondness/increasing respect for its originality as an album definitely played into how much I enjoyed the show. I enjoy the discordancy, the absolutely off it's cakes glam rock, the sudden Strange Fruit, the whatever that is in the hook of Bound 2 - and for me those were the big moments of the stage show as well.

[Winslow Leach]

From memory I think there was a minor error that was actually Bon Iver's fault as he hadn't switched off his autotune.

Anyway, I had a listen to Yeezus this morning again on the back of the show and I think my bewilderment/fondness/increasing respect for its originality as an album definitely played into how much I enjoyed the show. I enjoy the discordancy, the absolutely off it's cakes glam rock, the sudden Strange Fruit, the whatever that is in the hook of Bound 2 - and for me those were the big moments of the stage show as well.

 

Imagine if he'd played I'm In It on the Pyramid.

[paulmuchmore]

From memory I think there was a minor error that was actually Bon Iver's fault as he hadn't switched off his autotune.

 

That's the one. I caught there was a slight problem with Bon Iver, just assumed it was Mike's fault and didn't bother rewinding

 

(No idea why I've been down voted for my previous comment....)

Edited July 2, 2015 by paulmuchmore

[Spud001]

(No idea why I've been down voted for my previous comment....)

Mike Dean must be on efests

[Rose-Colored Boy]

I've only ever noticed Mike Dean in his alternative guise as a football referee, who knew he had so many strings to his bow.

[russycarps]

can I ask, who the fuck is mike? 

[paulmuchmore]

I've only ever noticed Mike Dean in his alternative guise as a football referee, who knew he had so many strings to his bow.

 

THANK YOU! I thought I recognised that name, but I couldn't place my finger on where from! 

[Matt42]

can I ask, who the fuck is mike?

I think it's his mixing guy or something

[russycarps]

I think it's his mixing guy or something

 

 

are they together all the time, or just for this gig?