Oasis

[incident]

18 minutes ago, emmanuel said:

I'm not at all going to this, but I was just looking for someone to explain this because it doesn't seem to make any sense.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c9ql7jnepwlo
I've always thought that stubhub ticket sales were completely anonymous so there would be no way to know the difference between a ticket sold through them and a ticket transferred to a friend (unless Stubhub get a court order or something).

 

StubHub list Row and Seat Numbers:

It's pretty easy for them to identify and cancel tickets based on that.

[emmanuel]

Ah! That makes sense! I have only ever bought standing tickets on Stubhub (mostly in the US).

[doogie]

The problem comes when touts list the seat numbers adjacent to the ones they're selling. Most buyers won't care if the seat numbers don't match exactly, but the risk is some innocent punter's seats may get cancelled.

[charlierc]

9 hours ago, RossTC said:

I was with the drummer from Kasabian on Saturday night after recognising him in a bar in Bristol. He told me they weren't supporting Oasis as it stands which i must admit i was surprised to hear. Also, he was a proper sound guy i must say! 

I've heard people say he's cool so it's good to know that reputation still holds true.

[NorthernSoul52]

Still expect we'll get Gene's lot on here.

 

Half-an-hour for them, forty apiece for Cast and Ashcroft.

 

Will be my second time seeing Ashcroft as stadium support - saw him with the Rolling Stones, of all people, in Manchester a few years ago.

[efcfanwirral]

1 hour ago, emmanuel said:

I'm not at all going to this, but I was just looking for someone to explain this because it doesn't seem to make any sense.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c9ql7jnepwlo
I've always thought that stubhub ticket sales were completely anonymous so there would be no way to know the difference between a ticket sold through them and a ticket transferred to a friend (unless Stubhub get a court order or something).

There'll be loads of legit ticket holders caught up in this, guaranteed 

[henry bear]

9 hours ago, ClementsMike said:

Cast announced as the opening act on UK and Ireland dates.

So Oasis, Ashcroft, Cast. It reads like a Shine On weekend with a bigger budget. Waiting for Bentley Rhythm Ace to be added 

[Suprefan]

11 hours ago, emmanuel said:

I'm not at all going to this, but I was just looking for someone to explain this because it doesn't seem to make any sense.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c9ql7jnepwlo
I've always thought that stubhub ticket sales were completely anonymous so there would be no way to know the difference between a ticket sold through them and a ticket transferred to a friend (unless Stubhub get a court order or something).

 

theres other ways. You are not required to list seat numbers at all. 
 

if you thought Ticketmaster didnt have ways to figure out who is who then you havent been paying attention. Think about how they knew who didnt get a ticket in the first onsales. Ticketmaster is God in this scenario. Your data is all theirs. But lets keep in mind this is all for show. Theyre trying to keep the government off their back and just doing these things make it seem like theyre complying. If they did cancel that many tickets then theyll have to place them back on sale or say that theyll be available the day if the respective night in person and purchasers must enter the venue when they buy with zero exceptions.

[doogie]

2 hours ago, Suprefan said:

 

theres other ways. You are not required to list seat numbers at all. 
 

if you thought Ticketmaster didnt have ways to figure out who is who then you havent been paying attention. Think about how they knew who didnt get a ticket in the first onsales. Ticketmaster is God in this scenario. Your data is all theirs. But lets keep in mind this is all for show. Theyre trying to keep the government off their back and just doing these things make it seem like theyre complying. If they did cancel that many tickets then theyll have to place them back on sale or say that theyll be available the day if the respective night in person and purchasers must enter the venue when they buy with zero exceptions.

 

Ticketmaster won't know who bought tickets through See / Gigs and Tours.

 

 

[mufcok]

Interested to see how this pans out. It would set a precedent.

 

I could do with them doing it with the US tickets, rather than heading over ticketless - as it currently the case. Won't hold my breath though

[NorthernSoul52]

Yeah, it could have some fascinating ramifications. We'll see.

[doogie]

1 hour ago, Nobody Interesting said:

but they will know who bought them through Ticketmaster and those are the one they will cancel.

 

They are digital tickets so to pass them on/sell them Ticketmaster will be well aware.

 

Passing tickets on isn't against the rules per se.  Loads of people will legitimately pass tickets on to friends and family without any profiteering going on.  The promoters would have to actively monitor the resale platforms and be sure the seat numbers listed are the ones being resold.

 

There's also nothing to stop some disgruntled c**t listing their ex-mate's ticket numbers on Viagogo at some extortionate price without them knowing, just to get their tickets cancelled.

[NorthernSoul52]

15 minutes ago, doogie said:

There's also nothing to stop some disgruntled c**t listing their ex-mate's ticket numbers on Viagogo at some extortionate price without them knowing, just to get their tickets cancelled.

Unfortunately poor form. Happened to a friend with Taylor Swift in London - their friend fell out with them, then basically tried to get the tickets shafted.

 

They still went in the end, so I assume it was all ironed out, but still.

[efcfanwirral]

1 hour ago, NorthernSoul52 said:

Yeah, it could have some fascinating ramifications. We'll see.

Until I see otherwise I assume its just going to end with a load of very angry people who bought their ticket legitimately and transferred to friends as per the option. 

 

They should've said Twickets is only for See Tickets and Gigs and Tours tickets, with Ticketmaster having to go back into the TM system. As you can't access See ones yet, they can't be sold. 

[emmanuel]

All platforms allow you to sell tickets that aren't accessible yet.

The easiest thing they could have done is to forbid the transfer of tickets on the Ticketmaster App. You could still let a trusted friend use your login details and password, but scalpers are unlikely to do that.

It is funny how cancelling tickets based on Stubhub row and seat numbers could easily go wildly wrong if people start to make mock listings.

[NorthernSoul52]

I'm surprised tickets are even accessible yet.

[efcfanwirral]

1 hour ago, emmanuel said:

All platforms allow you to sell tickets that aren't accessible yet.

The easiest thing they could have done is to forbid the transfer of tickets on the Ticketmaster App. You could still let a trusted friend use your login details and password, but scalpers are unlikely to do that.

It is funny how cancelling tickets based on Stubhub row and seat numbers could easily go wildly wrong if people start to make mock listings.

I think we're getting at the same thing here, forbidding transfer of Ticketmaster tickets by default means the only way you can shift them on is their own resale feature, which means you can't tout them. 

[Narnia]

22 hours ago, emmanuel said:

I'm not at all going to this, but I was just looking for someone to explain this because it doesn't seem to make any sense.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c9ql7jnepwlo
I've always thought that stubhub ticket sales were completely anonymous so there would be no way to know the difference between a ticket sold through them and a ticket transferred to a friend (unless Stubhub get a court order or something).

 

Billboard were reporting that Ticketmaster will be cancelling tickets from those that didn't abide by purchasing rules such as max 4 tickets per household and using multiple identities to get more tickets.

[Narnia]

22 hours ago, doogie said:

The problem comes when touts list the seat numbers adjacent to the ones they're selling. Most buyers won't care if the seat numbers don't match exactly, but the risk is some innocent punter's seats may get cancelled.

 

I'm not sure they will be doing this. Like you say it wouldn't be fair if someone listed other seat numbers that are not theirs. From what I gather they are looking at data that suggests the people buying tickets might be touts i.e those buying more than 4 by using different identities etc. Obviously not all people buying more than 4 were touts and I'm sure there were some that bought 4 relisted them. It does mean people who stuck by the rules won't accidently get their tickets cancelled which is fair. 

[doogie]

1 hour ago, Narnia said:

 

I'm not sure they will be doing this. Like you say it wouldn't be fair if someone listed other seat numbers that are not theirs. From what I gather they are looking at data that suggests the people buying tickets might be touts i.e those buying more than 4 by using different identities etc. Obviously not all people buying more than 4 were touts and I'm sure there were some that bought 4 relisted them. It does mean people who stuck by the rules won't accidently get their tickets cancelled which is fair. 

 

I think you may be correct. It looks like they're cancelling tickets where people bought more than 4 per household per show, rather than simply for appearing on resale sites.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/music/2024/oct/29/50000-oasis-tickets-to-be-cancelled-for-violating-purchase-terms

 

That's very different to what was being implied in the news yesterday.

 

Edited October 29, 2024 by doogie

[K2SO]

11 hours ago, doogie said:

 

Ticketmaster won't know who bought tickets through See / Gigs and Tours.

 

 

 

SJM own Gigs and Tours, whilst G+T's website is operated by See Tickets. Everyone works together on this.

 

30 minutes ago, doogie said:

 

I think you may be correct. It looks like they're cancelling tickets where people bought more than 4 per household per show, rather than simply for appearing on resale sites.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/music/2024/oct/29/50000-oasis-tickets-to-be-cancelled-for-violating-purchase-terms

 

That's very different to what was being implied in the news yesterday.

 

 

This one is just standard practise. Had tickets of mine cancelled a few years ago because we bought our pair and our friends' pair on the same card, but different accounts. We were over the limit and had a pair cancelled. Luckily they were still available to buy when we went back on

[StuwieG]

[Someoni]

While I've seen the bellend brothers multiple times, they definitely are big enough for that headline slot.

 

I think this will be more tour dates...or a new album 

[NorthernSoul52]

I mean, given how much leg pulling LG does, it's hard to say what it is in earnest.

[douglasmanso]

are we pretty sure that oasis won't do glasto? Do we trust the gallaghers that much?
I mean...the tour starts the weekend after the big G....