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[DavoTheWorthy]

12 hours ago, gfa said:

As a DJ its far more likely they'd come out with him to sing than he would to press some buttons while they sing imo (and he's in the bigger slot)

He'll defo be about though, just coming out with say Dermot Kennedy makes 0 sense

My guess would be that he joins his mate Joy Anonymous on the decks or - what is a bit more of a wildcard - he is involved in one of the TBAs either side of his pals Haai & I.Jordan on The Temple on Sat night.

This would be as a B2B with someone (pretty sure the two “??? B2B ???” that we’re at the top of The Common poster still aren’t on the line up).

As to who it could be with, the options are plenty…

[RichardWaller]

Hands up, I’d never heard of Fred Again till I started hanging around on here after the initial sale.

Hands up again, I do have a bit of a working class chip on my shoulder but I’m not unreasonable enough to think that privileged people can’t do owt decent. On the other hand it’s nice when you’ve got artists who make stuff that resonates with you, artists you might even feel like you can identify with. Not the be all end all, by no means essential, but nice. 

Looked him up on Wiki, not all that surprised someone I hadn’t heard of won a Brit Award a few years ago, slightly surprised someone I hadn’t heard of has filled Madison Square Garden and headlined Coachella. Quite shocked and a bit taken aback by his level of privilege and the fact he’s put out a series of albums called Actual Life while wondering how much he can possibly understand about the actual life of the 99%. No idea what his political views are or anything like that. I can’t help it, I’m innately suspicious of middle class people enough as it is, never mind someone with a background like that, but wow. 

I’ll listen to a couple of tracks though, plan on taking the time over the next few weeks to do that with anyone across the main stages I’ve not heard owt by.

[nikkic]

55 minutes ago, RichardWaller said:

Hands up, I’d never heard of Fred Again till I started hanging around on here after the initial sale.

Hands up again, I do have a bit of a working class chip on my shoulder but I’m not unreasonable enough to think that privileged people can’t do owt decent. On the other hand it’s nice when you’ve got artists who make stuff that resonates with you, artists you might even feel like you can identify with. Not the be all end all, by no means essential, but nice. 

Looked him up on Wiki, not all that surprised someone I hadn’t heard of won a Brit Award a few years ago, slightly surprised someone I hadn’t heard of has filled Madison Square Garden and headlined Coachella. Quite shocked and a bit taken aback by his level of privilege and the fact he’s put out a series of albums called Actual Life while wondering how much he can possibly understand about the actual life of the 99%. No idea what his political views are or anything like that. I can’t help it, I’m innately suspicious of middle class people enough as it is, never mind someone with a background like that, but wow. 

I’ll listen to a couple of tracks though, plan on taking the time over the next few weeks to do that with anyone across the main stages I’ve not heard owt by.

I’d probably avoid Glastonbury if I were you 

[RichardWaller]

Just now, nikkic said:

I’d probably avoid Glastonbury if I were you 

Lol there’s the spirit. 8th time, if it’s the last time only time will tell.

[nikkic]

14 minutes ago, RichardWaller said:

Lol there’s the spirit. 8th time, if it’s the last time only time will tell.

I mean if middle class people annoy you so much, it’s basically a middle class festival 

[RichardWaller]

1 minute ago, nikkic said:

I mean if middle class people annoy you so much, it’s basically a middle class festival 

I said suspicious of, not annoyed by. Course I’ve got middle class friends, I don’t live in a bubble. Telling someone they should avoid Glastonbury isn’t a great look.
It’s great that Glastonbury is ahead of other major festivals in terms of inclusivity for ethnicity, gender, sexuality etc but social class, not so much. 

[nikkic]

7 minutes ago, RichardWaller said:

I said suspicious of, not annoyed by. Course I’ve got middle class friends, I don’t live in a bubble. Telling someone they should avoid Glastonbury isn’t a great look.
It’s great that Glastonbury is ahead of other major festivals in terms of inclusivity for ethnicity, gender, sexuality etc but social class, not so much. 

Judging people based on class probably not the best look either tbh. 

Anyway have a great festival. 

[RichardWaller]

12 minutes ago, nikkic said:

Judging people based on class probably not the best look either tbh. 

Anyway have a great festival. 

Suspicion isn’t judgment, I’ll reserve judgment and take people as they come but I might hang back a bit, be a bit standoffish till I warm up. Goes with the territory of being socially awkward, course you’re not to know that. 
Sadly met and known more than enough middle class people who act like I’m summat they stood in. If I meet middle class people who think I do have a right to be there, great.

[UpAndDown]

52 minutes ago, nikkic said:

I mean if middle class people annoy you so much, it’s basically a middle class festival 

Middleclasstonbury 🙂

[Mich1268]

6 minutes ago, RichardWaller said:

Suspicion isn’t judgment, I’ll reserve judgment and take people as they come but I might hang back a bit, be a bit standoffish till I warm up. Goes with the territory of being socially awkward, course you’re not to know that. 
Sadly met and known more than enough middle class people who act like I’m summat they stood in. If I meet middle class people who think I do have a right to be there, great.

Exchange "middle class" for black, gypsies, Jews, gays etc and then feel free to get back to talking about if suspicion is judgement. 

[BambooShanks]

1 hour ago, RichardWaller said:

Hands up again, I do have a bit of a working class chip on my shoulder but I’m not unreasonable enough to think that privileged people can’t do owt decent. On the other hand it’s nice when you’ve got artists who make stuff that resonates with you, artists you might even feel like you can identify with. Not the be all end all, by no means essential, but nice. 

if his music resonates with you, his background shouldn't matter.

My FA take is, while it's undeniable that his background / upbringing has helped him immeasurably - from the level of music education he was able to get, having Brian Eno as a neighbour / mentor and the financial safety net of being able to pursue a career in music safe in the knowledge that they will be able to met their needs.  He still had the talent and (most importantly) the work ethic to make it happen.

Sadly, music is sadly not the meritocracy that we'd like it to be.  Like the majority of the arts (and well, life), those born into privilege will face lower barriers than the rest. This is not new and unlikely to change.

It sucks, but that's the way it is unfortunately. 

[RichardWaller]

Just now, Mich1268 said:

Exchange "middle class" for black, gypsies, Jews, gays etc and then feel free to get back to talking about if suspicion is judgement. 

Lol are we really making these equivalences? Yeah, not really sure where to go with that. Fair enough, take it on the chin.

[RichardWaller]

7 minutes ago, BambooShanks said:

if his music resonates with you, his background shouldn't matter.

My FA take is, while it's undeniable that his background / upbringing has helped him immeasurably - from the level of music education he was able to get, having Brian Eno as a neighbour / mentor and the financial safety net of being able to pursue a career in music safe in the knowledge that they will be able to met their needs.  He still had the talent and (most importantly) the work ethic to make it happen.

Sadly, music is sadly not the meritocracy that we'd like it to be.  Like the majority of the arts (and well, life), those born into privilege will face lower barriers than the rest. This is not new and unlikely to change.

It sucks, but that's the way it is unfortunately. 

Course background shouldn’t matter, but like I say it’s a nice little bonus if it’s from someone you can identify with. 

Yeah, I fear for the future of working class artists across the board to be honest. Course we don’t know what sort of success Fred Again could’ve achieved if he came from a council estate any more than Oasis would manage if they were starting out now, but it’s interesting to think about. 

[rwoo]

36 minutes ago, Sbco100 said:

Middleclasstonbury 🙂

Hahahaha!

I mean a lot of musicians that are successful get a lot of help from their family when they start out. Touring relentlessly is how a lot of musicians make it and they have to have cash to do this.

[BambooShanks]

9 minutes ago, RichardWaller said:

Yeah, I fear for the future of working class artists across the board to be honest. Course we don’t know what sort of success Fred Again could’ve achieved if he came from a council estate any more than Oasis would manage if they were starting out now, but it’s interesting to think about. 

It a tough time for most artists at the moment.  Touring abroad isn't financially viable, domestic touring isn't what it used to be due to a lot of venues closing down, streaming revenues are pathetic unless you're pulling in ludicrous numbers.

On the other hand, it's cheaper and easier than ever to make professional sounding recordings.  Between the various social media, artists can reach massive audiences if they're able to market themselves correctly and go viral.

Still requires a lot of luck and hard work, but yeah coming from a privileged background certainly makes it a lot easier. 

 

[RichardWaller]

42 minutes ago, BambooShanks said:

It a tough time for most artists at the moment.  Touring abroad isn't financially viable, domestic touring isn't what it used to be due to a lot of venues closing down, streaming revenues are pathetic unless you're pulling in ludicrous numbers.

On the other hand, it's cheaper and easier than ever to make professional sounding recordings.  Between the various social media, artists can reach massive audiences if they're able to market themselves correctly and go viral.

Still requires a lot of luck and hard work, but yeah coming from a privileged background certainly makes it a lot easier. 

 

I wish I could afford to support artists better but I can’t. It’s great that there’s Bandcamp now, at least.

I suppose even that’s a double edged sword, too. If you’re starting a band 30 years ago and you’re posting demo tapes to whichever DJs, record label execs, managers or whoever you can find, you’ll have a better chance of standing out cos I don’t know how people will have gone about that 20 years ago. Suppose with it being cheaper and easier to record as you say, that’s gonna increase competition too. Course talent, effort, luck, timing etc all play their part but think background is probably more important than ever now.

[nikkic]

He’s playing Primavera in a few days so we should get a decent idea of set list. 

[Acid Loafers]

Are we thinking that PHM isn't happening then? 

I suppose one of the Temple TBA could be smart as you've got the crowd control

Only other thing is if there's a fake/dummy name hidden in plain sight somewhere

[gfa]

2 hours ago, Acid Loafers said:

Are we thinking that PHM isn't happening then? 

I suppose one of the Temple TBA could be smart as you've got the crowd control

Only other thing is if there's a fake/dummy name hidden in plain sight somewhere

If it was the Gurners then i'd say maybe

Temple is the only place for it unless its absolutely tiny really

[nikkic]

Set list from Primavera.

No Lights Out, no party! 

[chazwwe]

Yeah I 100% need Lights out or Strong

[rwoo]

34 minutes ago, nikkic said:

Set list from Primavera.

No Lights Out, no party! 

I love Lights Out but hard to drop anything else from that setlist. Party time 

[gfa]

scrap baby again to be honest. do not get that song it was hyped for months but its honestly awful

god just seen that was with an extra 15 minutes too

[Vulpes vulpes]

Shouldn’t Fred be headling? Seems when wiz kid comes on there will be a lot leaving for the se corner?

[tigger123]

2 hours ago, nikkic said:

Set list from Primavera.

No Lights Out, no party! 

Dont think this is fully accurate, as this is a video of Angie/Clara which isn't on this setlist