xxialac Posted February 2, 2023 Report Share Posted February 2, 2023 It cannot be understated how much of a massive area BITS was. If any festival reduced its size by a third, it would take a hell of a lot of crowd management and surely a significant reduction in attendance too to stop overcrowding. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hip Priest Posted February 2, 2023 Report Share Posted February 2, 2023 22 minutes ago, pipan said: This is the highlight for me. Yes, we don't know what reduction they're talking about or how they're planning to keep the number of stages in a smaller area, but generally, I can't help but to see this as a positive thing. I'm not so sure. We are losing a huge space in Sant Adria but are PS really going to reduce capacity numbers to 2015 levels? A recent interview with the boss of PS Madrid said the plan for PS23 BCN was 10% or 15% lower capacity (without mentioning Bits disappearing) which is not a whole lot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fnmentaluk Posted February 2, 2023 Author Report Share Posted February 2, 2023 5 hours ago, xxialac said: They cannot 'add' three new stages to this already super busy main section of last years' site. They can only replace. And the outcome of losing maybe 1/3rd of the old site is inevitably more crowding. The only place I think they could put another stage ,is near the binance stage . Where they had that stage that arcade fire played Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xxialac Posted February 2, 2023 Report Share Posted February 2, 2023 2 minutes ago, Fnmentaluk said: The only place I think they could put another stage ,is near the binance stage . Where they had that stage that arcade fire played It seems highly likely they will have to. They used it as the Hidden Stage in 2019 and Hidden seems to have died now as a concept after 5+ years. One issue is that it means it must alternate with Binance to avoid sound clashes. ...Just realised they called it the Primavera Stage this morning, not the Binance stage. Hope this means Binance have fecked off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pipan Posted February 2, 2023 Report Share Posted February 2, 2023 1 hour ago, Hip Priest said: I'm not so sure. We are losing a huge space in Sant Adria but are PS really going to reduce capacity numbers to 2015 levels? A recent interview with the boss of PS Madrid said the plan for PS23 BCN was 10% or 15% lower capacity (without mentioning Bits disappearing) which is not a whole lot. You might be right, but for now, I choose to believe they'll manage to make a more compact and less crowded festival than in 2022. OK, I hear myself, probably it's just me being extremely naive. But they managed to find the right balance in 2017, 2018 and 2019... We'll see. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whos3000_ Posted February 2, 2023 Report Share Posted February 2, 2023 6 hours ago, xxialac said: They cannot 'add' three new stages to this already super busy main section of last years' site. They can only replace. And the outcome of losing maybe 1/3rd of the old site is inevitably more crowding. I speak for wk1 2022 only but I didn't have the feeling that bits managed to lessen the crowds in the main site. It was just too far Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whos3000_ Posted February 2, 2023 Report Share Posted February 2, 2023 With binance-primavera stage becoming a sort of 3rd main stage I can’t even imagine how much those clashes will hurt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xxialac Posted February 2, 2023 Report Share Posted February 2, 2023 Barcelona distance from auditori to main site: 5 minutes walk Madrid distance from auditori equivalent to main site: 90 minutes (45 minutes to Civitas by metro + at least another 45 minutes by bus and walk) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pipan Posted February 3, 2023 Report Share Posted February 3, 2023 Aha! Now I see why this year it's Brunch Electronik and not Brunch on the Beach! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ConfidenceMan Posted February 3, 2023 Report Share Posted February 3, 2023 Quite a bit to take on board from that Q&A. Am not attending this year but will be interested to see maps and the reviews from you lot to see if I return next year (line up and real life permitting!) anyway. I would be a bit wary of the idea that the Primavera stage will be "bigger". I assume they mean the literal stage and you could see some higher profile acts on there, but they need to do something to improve the entry and exit to the stage. Sharon van Etten on day one felt unsafe, it was so busy, and even by the last day of weekend one, while there was plenty of space up the hill for Beach House and others, getting through the crowd was still tricky. So if they decided that was gonna be the spot for, say, Fred Again or something, I'd say it could be chaotic. Its a shame to lose Bits. It didn't work well last year but it was great in previous editions when it all functioned okay. It really set PS apart from other festivals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UsernameHere Posted February 3, 2023 Report Share Posted February 3, 2023 3 hours ago, ConfidenceMan said: Quite a bit to take on board from that Q&A. Am not attending this year but will be interested to see maps and the reviews from you lot to see if I return next year (line up and real life permitting!) anyway. I would be a bit wary of the idea that the Primavera stage will be "bigger". I assume they mean the literal stage and you could see some higher profile acts on there, but they need to do something to improve the entry and exit to the stage. Sharon van Etten on day one felt unsafe, it was so busy, and even by the last day of weekend one, while there was plenty of space up the hill for Beach House and others, getting through the crowd was still tricky. So if they decided that was gonna be the spot for, say, Fred Again or something, I'd say it could be chaotic. Its a shame to lose Bits. It didn't work well last year but it was great in previous editions when it all functioned okay. It really set PS apart from other festivals. Yeah they messed up with this stage last year. They pushed it forward towards the hill when there didn't seem to be any need to. In previous years it was never a stage that felt too busy imo. I'm guessing they mean to build it further away from the hill and are going to reduce the "open space" in the middle between the Primavera, RayBan stages and the food court. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xxialac Posted February 3, 2023 Report Share Posted February 3, 2023 The Voidz have been removed from the Ciutat programme, having been added after the original announcement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frankburns Posted February 3, 2023 Report Share Posted February 3, 2023 (edited) https://www.facebook.com/photo/?fbid=734033211411898&set=a.209736383841586 The Chills will play at Razzmatazz 2. But they should correct the dates for Barcelona (4/6, not 3/6) and Madrid 5/6, not 4/6). Edited February 3, 2023 by frankburns 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pipan Posted February 5, 2023 Report Share Posted February 5, 2023 I can appreciate a feel-good concert - an artist with catchy songs, dancey melodies and lyrics that beg you to singalong. Nothing too profound, just simple fun. In 2022, it was Dua Lipa. In 2023, it looks like it's going to be, surprisingly, Ghost. I have to admit, at first I found it quite annoying that Madrid is getting The Mars Volta and Barcelona just some metal (definitely not my genre) band I'd never heard of before. But Primavera broadened my musical horizons once again and Ghost gradually became a must-see. Thursday is now the strongest day of the whole festival for me (Thursday > Friday > Saturday). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaalive Posted February 5, 2023 Report Share Posted February 5, 2023 1 hour ago, pipan said: I can appreciate a feel-good concert - an artist with catchy songs, dancey melodies and lyrics that beg you to singalong. Nothing too profound, just simple fun. In 2022, it was Dua Lipa. In 2023, it looks like it's going to be, surprisingly, Ghost. I have to admit, at first I found it quite annoying that Madrid is getting The Mars Volta and Barcelona just some metal (definitely not my genre) band I'd never heard of before. But Primavera broadened my musical horizons once again and Ghost gradually became a must-see. Thursday is now the strongest day of the whole festival for me (Thursday > Friday > Saturday). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wro_lap Posted February 5, 2023 Report Share Posted February 5, 2023 Just booked Madrid! How do I go about booking the Pet Shop Boys day? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BA_Barrabus Posted February 6, 2023 Report Share Posted February 6, 2023 Any early predicitions (outside of those names already dropped in the presser) who may play the Auditori? One of the clashfinders has Darkside but would they not be too high up the bill to appear there? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xxialac Posted February 6, 2023 Report Share Posted February 6, 2023 (edited) 21 minutes ago, BA_Barrabus said: Any early predicitions (outside of those names already dropped in the presser) who may play the Auditori? One of the clashfinders has Darkside but would they not be too high up the bill to appear there? IMO Very likely: Heinali, Arthur Verocai, Israel Fernandez, Eddie Palmieri Seems like they’re all going to be playing at lunchtime in Madrid. Not ideal if you got back at 5am! Edited February 6, 2023 by xxialac 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frankburns Posted February 6, 2023 Report Share Posted February 6, 2023 I hope The Delgados will play the Auditori. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joselito Posted February 6, 2023 Report Share Posted February 6, 2023 16 hours ago, wro_lap said: Just booked Madrid! How do I go about booking the Pet Shop Boys day? For the Wednesday gig, they will make a reservation system via app for free. I think they will make a big capacity at the Stadium, 10k at least. For the Sunday gig they didn't say nothing yet, but I believe they are doing a indoor gig in a small place, and they will charge a small price for that, and use ir in the festival. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joselito Posted February 6, 2023 Report Share Posted February 6, 2023 28 minutes ago, xxialac said: IMO Very likely: Heinali, Arthur Verocai, Israel Fernandez, Eddie Palmieri Seems like they’re all going to be playing at lunchtime in Madrid. Not ideal if you got back at 5am! There are 2 s scenarios in Madrid: a noon gig, a little rest after and going to the fest. Or a 4pm gig and a direct bus from the Auditorio. Let's wait the timetables, but, I think I only go to the John Cale on Saturday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hip Priest Posted February 6, 2023 Report Share Posted February 6, 2023 Just now, joselito said: There are 2 s scenarios in Madrid: a noon gig, a little rest after and going to the fest. Or a 4pm gig and a direct bus from the Auditorio. Let's wait the timetables, but, I think I only go to the John Cale on Saturday. In the radio interview he said Madrid theatre shows would be from 12/1pm to 3/4pm approx. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fabrizzo Posted February 6, 2023 Report Share Posted February 6, 2023 3 hours ago, BA_Barrabus said: Any early predicitions (outside of those names already dropped in the presser) who may play the Auditori? One of the clashfinders has Darkside but would they not be too high up the bill to appear there? Laurie Anderson e John Cale for sure Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xxialac Posted February 6, 2023 Report Share Posted February 6, 2023 1 hour ago, Fabrizzo said: Laurie Anderson e John Cale for sure I’m boldly predicting Swans and Boris too 😉 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MeMeMeM Posted February 6, 2023 Report Share Posted February 6, 2023 1 hour ago, Fabrizzo said: Laurie Anderson e John Cale for sure Those two were confirmed by Alfonso Lanza (the promoter), along with Swand and Boris. Like @xxialac mentioned, I believe Arthur Verocai, Heinali and Israel Fernandez will be there too. Eddie Palmieri is another great contender. Perhaps Julia Holter (which played there in the past) and The Delgados (like @frankburns suggested, especially if they bring a string section). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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