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Yes all the right wing journos are out in force both sidesing.

The only evidence in the report of the left of the party ’using antisemitism as a weapon’ is in defending themselves from attacks by saying it was exaggerated and used by the right as a means of undermining them. Which the rest of the report shows to be a fair evaluation.

The Labour party machine knew exactly what they were doing from day 1 of Corbyn’s tenure. In fact the report shows that the thing that initially clogged up the complaints procedure was the introduction of membership validation which basically searched on social media for new members posts but decided only to search on posts attacking members of the Labour right. As a result many left members were suspended even before Corbyn was elected. So really they went out to rig it against him since before day 1.

Then they immediately went about deliberately failing in both complaints handling and in the general election, undermining the leadership at every turn.

Its so cynical, so antidemocratic. If you are bothered about decency in politics, as many who bleet on about boris and Brexit purport to be, you should be sickened by this.

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Yes all the right wing journos are out in force both sidesing.

The only evidence in the report of the left of the party ’using antisemitism as a weapon’ is in defending themselves from attacks by saying it was exaggerated and used by the right as a means of undermining them. Which the rest of the report shows to be a fair evaluation.

The Labour party machine knew exactly what they were doing from day 1 of Corbyn’s tenure. In fact the report shows that the thing that initially clogged up the complaints procedure was the introduction of membership validation which basically searched on social media for new members posts but decided only to search on posts attacking members of the Labour right. As a result many left members were suspended even before Corbyn was elected. So really they went out to rig it against him since before day 1.

Then they immediately went about deliberately failing in both complaints handling and in the general election, undermining the leadership at every turn.

Its so cynical, so antidemocratic. If you are bothered about decency in politics, as many who bleet on about boris and Brexit purport to be, you should be sickened by this.

yeah, labour was chaos under corbyn.

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yeah, labour was chaos under corbyn.


Yeah, Imagine though. Staff and MPs for the supposed left wing party in the uk, are so shit scared of having somebody in power who implements an actual left wing policy program that they actively worked against him and for the tories, condemning you all to the utter shit state you now find yourself in. Congrats. 👏 👏 👏  

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4 minutes ago, Ozanne said:

As a Labour supporter I would welcome Truss as PM. 

and if labour doesn't win?

and even if labour does win...if she has already shrunk the state, if she has already watered down and/or delayed net zero, would labour reverse it? I really don't think this country needs a PM like Truss, maybe it will help labour...but I just am not that confident that tories will lose the next election.

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Yeah, Imagine though. Staff and MPs for the supposed left wing party in the uk, are so shit scared of having somebody in power who implements an actual left wing policy program that they actively worked against him and for the tories, condemning you all to the utter shit state you now find yourself in. Congrats. 👏 👏 👏  

yes it's a shame.

And a shame that antisemitism was not treated as seriously as it should have been and just weaponised by both sides.

Fortunately that factionalism doesn't seem to be as much of a problem under Sir Keir's leadership.

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38 minutes ago, Punksnotdead said:

We'd still have to suffer 2 years of her as PM - an horrific thought!

It’s not a great thought but if it means there’s a better chance of a Labour government then bring it on. I don’t think they’ll wait the 2 years though. 

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45 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

yes it's a shame.

And a shame that antisemitism was not treated as seriously as it should have been and just weaponised by both sides.

Fortunately that factionalism doesn't seem to be as much of a problem under Sir Keir's leadership.


One side had it in their gift to amend the internal process and deal with the antisemitism complaints, as well as cease to lodge thousands of bogus complaints to slow down the extant process and hinder it handling legitimate complaints.

The other side rejected responsibility for the logjam in the complaints process (true) and highlighted that the vast majority of complaints were bogus (true).

Its not a both sides thing and anybody objective can see that.

Yes, factionalism is dead under Keir Starmer. In the same way that it was dead under Stalin. If you eradicate the other faction, there can no longer be any factionalism. The only drawback is all that remains is disgusting, corrupt, racist right wingers. And thats what the Labour party is today.

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One side had it in their gift to amend the internal process and deal with the antisemitism complaints, as well as cease to lodge thousands of bogus complaints to slow down the extant process and hinder it handling legitimate complaints.

The other side rejected responsibility for the logjam in the complaints process (true) and highlighted that the vast majority of complaints were bogus (true).

Its not a both sides thing and anybody objective can see that.

Yes, factionalism is dead under Keir Starmer. In the same way that it was dead under Stalin. If you eradicate the other faction, there can no longer be any factionalism. The only drawback is all that remains is disgusting, corrupt, racist right wingers. And thats what the Labour party is today.

he started it, no he started it...etc

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3 minutes ago, Neil said:

Why can't our infrastructure cope with the heat? who builds infastructure to cope with what never happens. 

yeah...this is kind of like risk management...how much you spend on certain things...and temperatures like this were once very low probability, but now the risk is much higher. I don't know how you prevent these wildfires...I guess have more fire services to be able to deal with them...maybe have these heaths/woodlands away from buildings...I don't know.

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21 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

he started it, no he started it...etc


Yeah fair enough. With all the factions involved in the Ukraine war I guess it must be confusing for centrists too. Who can possibly say who the real bad guy is with all these factions involved? Its just so factional isn’t it? Cant wait for Putin to nuke them all so it isn’t so factional anymore.

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