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[Guest]

With everyone that will go on today remember this, the most important thing to Tories is to let Johnson off, they don’t care about us or about what’s right, they just care about getting this one man off the hook. 

Edited May 25, 2022 by Ozanne

[steviewevie]

 

[steviewevie]

5 minutes ago, Ozanne said:

With everyone that will go on today remember this, the most important thing to Tories is to let Johnson off, they don’t care about us or about what’s right, they just care about getting this one man off the hook. 

ultimately they care about who can win them the next election so they keep their seats...and somehow many still think that person is Johnson.

[steviewevie]

Just did a speed read and he's guilty as fuck.

[steviewevie]

so many words.

Pictures start on p38!

[steviewevie]

photos don't look that bad to be honest...not much more than we're already seen.

[steviewevie]

cheers

[Guest]

In an email they said about one of the parties that they need to keep the noise down because of the Covid press conference going on at that time!

[squirrelarmy]

Also done a bit of speed reading. A few notable extracts. 
 

 

[steviewevie]

my twitter timeline is full of juicy stuff from this report..too much of it to post. This report released a bit too close to PMQs and statement really.

[Ryan1984]

If you put the Covid restrictions to one side, what kind of workplace is this? It sounds like a frat party!

[hodgey123]

The extract which caught my attention particularly was about how Sue Gray decided it would not be appropriate or proportionate to investigate further the party in the Downing Street flat, the so-called "ABBA party". I wonder who helped her come to that decision in the meeting that happened by chance and that no one knows who organised!

[Kurosagi]

And this is how they've got away with it, the Met really helped them out:

The information collected on this gathering is limited as the process of obtaining
evidence had only just been commenced when the Metropolitan Police announced
their own investigations, which included events on the 13 November 2020. At this
point I stopped my investigation, given the need to avoid any prejudice to the police
investigation. Following the Metropolitan Police announcement on 19 May 2022 I
considered whether or not to conduct any further investigation into this event but
concluded it was not appropriate or proportionate to do so.

[steviewevie]

3 minutes ago, hodgey123 said:

The extract which caught my attention particularly was about how Sue Gray decided it would not be appropriate or proportionate to investigate further the party in the Downing Street flat, the so-called "ABBA party". I wonder who helped her come to that decision in the meeting that happened by chance and that no one knows who organised!

did police investigate it and not issue any fines?

[steviewevie]

I mean either the Met are corrupt or are just a bit useless...or maybe a bit of both..

[steviewevie]

Interested to see how Starmer attacks him, and what sort of support Johnson gets from his backbenchers.

[squirrelarmy]

Starmer saving partygate for later

[hodgey123]

8 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

did police investigate it and not issue any fines?

Extract helpfully shared by Kurosagi after my post - they did not issue any fines and then Sue Gray miraculously decided not to investigate further the event in which Boris was most closely implicated/associated with. 

Clear from PMQs that Keir Starmer feels restrained given the Durham police investigation over his head - shame that he has been rendered quite toothless now.

[Kurosagi]

This for me is what 'normal' leaders would have resigned over:

3. I have already commented in my update on what I found to be failures of
leadership and judgment in No 10 and the Cabinet Office. The events that I
investigated were attended by leaders in government. Many of these events
should not have been allowed to happen. It is also the case that some of the
more junior civil servants believed that their involvement in some of these
events was permitted given the attendance of senior leaders. The senior
leadership at the centre, both political and official, must bear responsibility for
this culture.

Johnson knew these frat parties were going on and it is disingenuous in the extreme for him to claim in HoC that all guidance was followed: he saw them happening, he knew it was wrong, he didn't once break any of them up. Conclusion: the rules don't apply to him.

[squirrelarmy]

The mood looks to be changing in the house. Everyone is laughing at Spaffer repeating the same lines as always. 
 

I wouldn’t be surprised to see an increase in letters calling for his head. 

[Kurosagi]

 

[BobWillis2]

May 25th 2022. The day everyone was more annoyed about the rule breaking than the rules themselves. 
 

There’s a reason they weren’t worried about breaking them and it’s not just because they didn’t care about us peasants. 

[steviewevie]

They love him

[hodgey123]

5 minutes ago, squirrelarmy said:

The mood looks to be changing in the house. Everyone is laughing at Spaffer repeating the same lines as always. 
 

I wouldn’t be surprised to see an increase in letters calling for his head. 

Unsure about that, thought the opposite. All cheering at Johnson going off on one with a load of rubbish/provable lies culminating in "Vladimir Corbyn". PMQs and the conduct of MPs generally in these 'debates' is a disgrace. 

[steviewevie]

Blackford can ask the partygate questions