news & politics:discussion

[steviewevie]

2 minutes ago, Ozanne said:

That was Starmer's best speech. It was so powerful.

bum, missed it.

[Ozanne]

1 minute ago, steviewevie said:

bum, missed it.

I teared up. He hit every note perfectly.

Johnson's response is to attack Jeremy Corbyn for some reason.

[philipsteak]

4 hours ago, gary1979666 said:

I'm not sure, there'll be some who are up in arms because it's the tories doing something wrong and those at the other end solidly defending it, but imagine there a fair clump of people in the middle who don't think it's great, but not a deal breaker.  I look back over my lockdown and I didn't follow all the rules.  I did the easy things, like masks at the shops, etc, but I met friends, went on dates, when they weren't in my immediate bubble.  I would think a lot of folk bent the rules to fit their interpretation.

I've voted Tory in the past (not in the last few years), and the partygate scandal doesn't put me off voting for Boris......there's plenty of other reasons not to vote Tory under BoJo instead!

 

But you didn't make the rules, go on the telly and tell everyone it was really important to follow the rules and then lie in parliament about whether or not you broke the rules.

Like stevie said, it'll lose them a lot of older voters I think.

For me it's less about the parties themselves, more about the attempts at lying and how that all fits in to a wider pattern of behaviour. But then it's not like they've lost me as a voter anyway.

[Ozanne]

 

Mark Harper has sent in a letter of no confidence in Johnson.

Edited April 19, 2022 by Ozanne

[steviewevie]

6 minutes ago, Ozanne said:

 

Mark Harper has sent in a letter of no confidence in Johnson.

👍

[Neil]

18 minutes ago, Ozanne said:

I teared up. He hit every note perfectly.

Johnson's response is to attack Jeremy Corbyn for some reason.

the labour party's eternal shame, and who gave spaffer that line of attack?

[Neil]

8 minutes ago, Ozanne said:

 

Mark Harper has sent in a letter of no confidence in Johnson.

harper is a fool dimmer than johnson.

[steviewevie]

Bojo knows all about guns and stuff. Ukraine needs his expertise.

[steviewevie]

I know shouldn't resort to this sort of thing but some of these tory backbenchers really are a bunch of miserably pathetic twats.

[Ozanne]

These Tory MPs are going to look even more ridiculous when Johnson gets more fines in the coming weeks.

[steviewevie]

Wow - Starmer not as unpopular as all those horrid tories...

 

[Justiceforcedave]

Just now, Ozanne said:

These Tory MPs are going to look even more ridiculous when Johnson gets more fines in the coming weeks.

I know I can't wait!

[Ozanne]

6 minutes ago, Justiceforcedave said:

I know I can't wait!

Me too. I love watching this type of thing in the Commons.

[steviewevie]

7 minutes ago, Ozanne said:

Me too. I love watching this type of thing in the Commons.

he's not going to do the apologise to parliament thing every time is he?

[Ozanne]

This might be the most powerful 1:44 from the Commons you’ll ever watch.

Edited April 19, 2022 by Ozanne

[steviewevie]

Bojo not going to India now...partygate not going anywhere either.

[gizmoman]

37 minutes ago, Ozanne said:

This might be the most powerful 1:44 from the Commons you’ll ever watch.

This might have had more impact if it were not for the fact that Starmer and his party supported these inhuman draconian rules and in fact demanded greater restrictions at times, it's all very well talking about "the forbidden 7th mourner" but at what point did he argue for a more lenient treatment at funerals or the rights of people to see dying relatives? the fact is he was quite happy to support a government that was wildly overreaching their legitimate powers and vote for legislation that denied British people fundamental rights. Boris is a serial liar and he and this government have stolen public money via dodgy contracts etc. and continue to do so, Starmer is a pathetic opposition figure, he is as much an establishment tool as Johnson.

[pink_triangle]

6 hours ago, steviewevie said:

I expect there are a lot of older tory voters who won't like this at all...and their votes could be crucial in the next election.

My 80 year old Uncle thinks Boris is a bit of a scamp, but gets things done. Unfortunately I suspect others share that view

[steviewevie]

52 minutes ago, pink_triangle said:

My 80 year old Uncle thinks Boris is a bit of a scamp, but gets things done. Unfortunately I suspect others share that view

My 91 year old mum thinks he's a right c**t.

[steviewevie]

1 hour ago, gizmoman said:

This might have had more impact if it were not for the fact that Starmer and his party supported these inhuman draconian rules and in fact demanded greater restrictions at times, it's all very well talking about "the forbidden 7th mourner" but at what point did he argue for a more lenient treatment at funerals or the rights of people to see dying relatives? the fact is he was quite happy to support a government that was wildly overreaching their legitimate powers and vote for legislation that denied British people fundamental rights. Boris is a serial liar and he and this government have stolen public money via dodgy contracts etc. and continue to do so, Starmer is a pathetic opposition figure, he is as much an establishment tool as Johnson.

missing the point.

[Ozanne]

 

 

[Zoo Music Girl]

6 hours ago, philipsteak said:

But you didn't make the rules, go on the telly and tell everyone it was really important to follow the rules and then lie in parliament about whether or not you broke the rules.

Like stevie said, it'll lose them a lot of older voters I think.

For me it's less about the parties themselves, more about the attempts at lying and how that all fits in to a wider pattern of behaviour. But then it's not like they've lost me as a voter anyway.

This sums up how I feel perfectly. It's one thing to break the rules, but breaking them while making and enforcing them is something else entirely.

Just saw a bit of Starmer's speech and I liked that he pointed to this being part of Johnson's character and way of governing, rather than being a one-off. It's completely on brand for this Tory party.

[Zoo Music Girl]

And yeah the lying about it is the worst.

[squirrelarmy]

He’s even starting to lose his big fan base, the average bloke down the pub. 
 

There’s still some idiots sticking by him but there’s always a village idiot. Just a shame we’ve got one im charge. 

[steviewevie]