When will this shit end?

[steviewevie]

So, there is this exit wave they keep talking about, and we must have it now because summer is best time etc...but they're obviously shitting it with how high this wave is going to be, what with not everyone fully vaccinated, social disatncing restrictions ending, and now loads of people turning off their test/trace apps. So, this is why we are seeing a bit of a push back with govt and scientists urging caution, slow and steady, go out but don't go out, go to work but don't go to work, wear a mask because you're good etc etc.

[steviewevie]

4 minutes ago, zahidf said:

You think we can remove restrictions without an exit wave?

 

no, but debatable when is best time to have that exit wave...Whitty says there is disagreement about that.

[zahidf]

Just now, steviewevie said:

no, but debatable when is best time to have that exit wave...Whitty says there is disagreement about that.

I thought SAGE were on the same page that the summer is better than later in the year? all the Fake SAGE lot are very coy about when an exit wave is best. They seem to be saying that its possible to avoid an exit wave altogether, which is.... unlikely

 

[zahidf]

Just now, Barry Fish said:

Its a minor thing if you don't work in the industry or the supply chain.  I get they have a view point but to call it a minor thing is fucking awful when you think of the potential job loses and financial many would face.  At least own the call and say - although we know this would wreck some lives we think it might save others - I could respect that viewpoint as it was honest.

nah, according to them its a minor disruption which will apparently benefit people overall! ;-/

[efcfanwirral]

This is the main thing really. Maybe we wouldn't be staring down the barrel of another set of restrictions if we had a fit for purpose health system that was properly funded...

[st dan]

Do we think the UK has an issue /  borderline obsession with testing at this stage?
Obviously not talking about those who are symptomatic who genuinely think they may have the virus, but more just the sheer numbers we are doing across all settings. Not sure if it’s true (and I have no reason to believe it isn’t) but I read that we carried out more tests yesterday than the whole of Europe combined. This is clearly going to make our numbers look so much worse in comparison, and maybe our rates per 100k aren’t actually much higher, or as much of an issue as they appear. 

[efcfanwirral]

3 minutes ago, zahidf said:

nah, according to them its a minor disruption which will apparently benefit people overall! ;-/

 

Just now, Barry Fish said:

I think we should be having grown up discussions on cause and effect.  There might be an argument to us being better overall.  But when they say something is a minor disruption (which it clearly would not be) you have to question there ability to be in this debate don't you...  Bunch of morons.

I think its fair to say a lot of medical people would happily see the back of alcohol and pubs, so you do have to wonder whether that "benefit" is in the back of their minds when making these suggestions 

[Havors]

Very interesting take on the models and why they are so ridiculous. 
 

 

[steviewevie]

1 minute ago, zahidf said:

I thought SAGE were on the same page that the summer is better than later in the year? all the Fake SAGE lot are very coy about when an exit wave is best. They seem to be saying that its possible to avoid an exit wave altogether, which is.... unlikely

 

He said there was some disagreement about that...there is no good time basically, and there is a lot of uncertainty...and probably because of political and economic pressures they've decided to go for it now. Indie Sage, as I like to call them because it sounds cool, have always been cautious, maybe over cautious...and are pushing for things to open slowly once as many as poss vaccinated...and have also been pushing for better ventilation in schools/workplaces etc., which is reasonable...especially when we're going to have a shit load of other viruses splattering about this winter. But yeah, obviously certain industries like hospitality are going to be fucked without people back in them, or massive government support.

[steviewevie]

5 minutes ago, st dan said:

Do we think the UK has an issue /  borderline obsession with testing at this stage?
Obviously not talking about those who are symptomatic who genuinely think they may have the virus, but more just the sheer numbers we are doing across all settings. Not sure if it’s true (and I have no reason to believe it isn’t) but I read that we carried out more tests yesterday than the whole of Europe combined. This is clearly going to make our numbers look so much worse in comparison, and maybe our rates per 100k aren’t actually much higher, or as much of an issue as they appear. 

you test because you need to act early if cases start to get really high. As WHO said, Test, Test, Test. But once we're through this last wave (hopefully last wave), and the vaccinations are done...then yeah, I guess no need to do so much of it.

[Havors]

1 minute ago, steviewevie said:

you test because you need to act early if cases start to get really high. As WHO said, Test, Test, Test. But once we're through this last wave (hopefully last wave), and the vaccinations are done...then yeah, I guess no need to do so much of it.

If we had not been testing so much recently, would people be so worried now? The cases would be less. And our hospital admissions and deaths would still be the same (low). 

[steviewevie]

1 minute ago, Havors said:

If we had not been testing so much recently, would people be so worried now? The cases would be less. And our hospital admissions and deaths would still be the same (low). 

well, makes it easy to show the link between cases and hospitalisation/deaths is weakened.

[steviewevie]

2 minutes ago, Havors said:

If we had not been testing so much recently, would people be so worried now? The cases would be less. And our hospital admissions and deaths would still be the same (low). 

and also maybe they want people worried...

[steviewevie]

What he says. They should change consequences, reduce self isolate time depending on vaccination status and lateral test result.

Edited July 16, 2021 by steviewevie

[BobWillis2]

21 minutes ago, zahidf said:

I thought SAGE were on the same page that the summer is better than later in the year? all the Fake SAGE lot are very coy about when an exit wave is best. They seem to be saying that its possible to avoid an exit wave altogether, which is.... unlikely

 

Fake SAGE constantly change what they’re most annoyed about or what the one big reason we shouldn’t end restrictions. 
 

Long covid. Schools. The vulnerable. Variants. Herd immunity. Blah blah blah

[BobWillis2]

1 minute ago, BobWillis2 said:

Fake SAGE constantly change what they’re most annoyed about or what the one big reason we shouldn’t end restrictions. 
 

Long covid. Schools. The vulnerable. Variants. Herd immunity. Blah blah blah

Today it’s duration of stay in hospital. 
 

 

 

[Justiceforcedave]

15 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

you test because you need to act early if cases start to get really high. As WHO said, Test, Test, Test. But once we're through this last wave (hopefully last wave), and the vaccinations are done...then yeah, I guess no need to do so much of it.

Plus consistency in testing allows you to see the impact changes have… though I guess arguably you could say policy changes might make people more or less likely to task a test!

[Havors]

2 minutes ago, Nobody Interesting said:

With this level of concern, the economy will suffer and yet again the reasons why unlocking is wanted by the Tories fails them.

Will they ever learn? I doubt it.

 

Go the pubs after July 19th and see for yourself how worried people are. Going by the way the bars have been since May 17th people mostly don't give a fuck. The economy will jump again post 19th. 

[DeanoL]

 

2 hours ago, Justiceforcedave said:

This is the policy we have at my escape room business. We allow people to take them off once they begin their game and the hosts have left the room.

If someone doesn’t want to wear one… then they don’t get to come in.

“We are delighted that the UK's Covid vaccination drive has been so effective. However, at this stage not all of our staff have received full protection.

To ensure both their safety and the safety of visitors in this time of transition, we request that all guests continue to wear a mask or face covering whilst in the presence of our hosts.

Adhering to this rule will be a condition of entry and if you do not arrive with a mask, one will be provided for you. If you have any questions about this or your booking please get in touch”

Whereabouts if you don't mind me asking? I managed a grand total of 3 escape rooms last year which is a bit down on my annual average of 100... they were doing a bang-up job on disinfecting everything between games. Apparently alcohol gel destroys locks over time!

2 hours ago, Barry Fish said:

So we are not respecting personal choice as the PM said we would a few weeks ago.  So what's the point in the future we do I suppose is the next question?  

It's cute you thought the Tories meant personal choices of individuals and not businesses!

[steviewevie]

2 minutes ago, Havors said:

Go the pubs after July 19th and see for yourself how worried people are. Going by the way the bars have been since May 17th people mostly don't give a fuck. The economy will jump again post 19th. 

you know, not everyone is in the pub?

[sjseabass]

7 minutes ago, Nobody Interesting said:

With this level of concern, the economy will suffer and yet again the reasons why unlocking is wanted by the Tories fails them.

Will they ever learn? I doubt it.

 

I mean, I probably would have said ‘somewhat worried’ in answer to that question, because there remains a chance it could all go tits up. But that doesn’t mean I don’t think it should happen, or that I won’t be taking advantage of the ability to go to clubs and festivals myself.

[Havors]

2 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

you know, not everyone is in the pub?

But they are full and heaving! That is all that matters. People that only sit at home anyway are irrelevant. 

[Havors]

1 minute ago, Nobody Interesting said:

I have zero desire to go to any pub, I have seen the idiots in the recently as I walk by - but the numbers in them are small and many regulars I know round here are not going back.

They may look busy but it will not last long and they will not be like they were before.

Also, pubs are not the entire economy, just one small part but of course the economy will jump as they compare month by month. So come October is when we will get the first real idea as they compare September to August.

Well thank fuck I dont live where you live. Sounds boring as fuck 🙂 

[st dan]

1 minute ago, sjseabass said:

I mean, I probably would have said ‘somewhat worried’ in answer to that question, because there remains a chance it could all go tits up. But that doesn’t mean I don’t think it should happen, or that I won’t be taking advantage of the ability to go to clubs and festivals myself.

Yep agreed, again it’s a poll with a leading question. Worried about what exactly? Your health? Your families health? Your job? Could be anything. 

[steviewevie]