When will this shit end?

[Guest]

1 minute ago, xxialac said:

The Daily Mail does make me laugh sometimes with its total inanity.

A board game, to play on your own 😂 

[stuartbert two hats]

I'm getting increasingly suspicious of Dr John Campbell on YouTube and his little obsessions. He thinks he's objective and "follows the data" like a proper scientist, but doesn't seem to come to the same conclusions as other people when reading studies. He's absolutely obsessed with Vitamin D, but not everyone else is so convinced:

 

Note that Dr C isn't actually mentioned on this thread as far as I know, but records a lengthy video on every study that says Vitamin D is wonderful and doesn't ever seem to cover those that say it doesn't do very much.

He's interviewed David Davis and thinks he's wonderful.

[zahidf]

Anyone watch panorama about covid disinformation? Very interesting!

[philipsteak]

44 minutes ago, Toilet Duck said:

Here it’s if it is being managed with oral steroids (which would be the higher end of management). I’d assume it’s pretty similar in the UK. I’ve been hospitalised twice for asthma (first time I found out I was allergic to aspirin, second time I found out that it was all NSAIDs!)...still not on a priority list because of it (I am as a biomedical researcher though, go figure!)...

Found this on the Asthma UK website

• If you were sent a shielding letter, you will be in priority group 4.  
• If you have ever had an emergency hospital admission for your asthma, or ever been prescribed three courses of steroid tablets in a three-month period, you will fall into priority group 6.  
• If you do not fall into either of these groups and are under the age of 50, you will be vaccinated after the first nine priority groups. 

[philipsteak]

41 minutes ago, xxialac said:

The Daily Mail does make me laugh sometimes with its total inanity.

 

Fair play to the hotels though. Installing windows as "extras" with only a couple of days notice

[Mr.Tease]

47 minutes ago, xxialac said:

The Daily Mail does make me laugh sometimes with its total inanity.

Cutlery AND crockery?! 

Brand name shampoo (Head and Shoulders)?! 

Towels?! 

A chair?! 

Windows?! 

What kind of decadent luxury is this?!?! 

[Mr.Tease]

6 minutes ago, philipsteak said:

 

Fair play to the hotels though. Installing windows as "extras" with only a couple of days notice

Hopefully it will start a new trend

[xxialac]

Just now, philipsteak said:

 

Fair play to the hotels though. Installing windows as "extras" with only a couple of days notice

I reckon you could tunnel your way out using the mirror to hide your escape Shawshank style.

Note to anyone hotel quarantining: don't forget to take a rock hammer in with you.

[dotdash79]

11 minutes ago, Mr.Tease said:

 

Windows?! 

It’s a shame it’s only Windows ME

[stuartbert two hats]

4 minutes ago, dotdash79 said:

It’s a shame it’s only Windows ME

Hopefully there won't be as many crashes, being in an airport and all.

[stuartbert two hats]

Manchester is slowly making its way down, with Bury and Bolton having been going the wrong way in the last few days:

[Guest]

If they are going up now what happens when lockdown gets relaxed!?

[zahidf]

13 minutes ago, Ozanne said:

If they are going up now what happens when lockdown gets relaxed!?

Local lockdown for Bury 

[zahidf]

[Guest]

7 minutes ago, zahidf said:

Local lockdown for Bury 

Johnson wants to go with a national approach though from what you read.

[stuartbert two hats]

18 minutes ago, Ozanne said:

If they are going up now what happens when lockdown gets relaxed!?

Some of it is quite localised apparently. Hopefully with vaccines in play it won't get totally out of control. Wouldn't surprise me if there are pockets of growth throughout the country.

This is the first time Bury has had a week on week increase since the cases starting falling, so it's not that bad.

This is from about month ago, so definitely dropped, just not as fast as the country as a whole.

 

[zahidf]

12 minutes ago, Ozanne said:

Johnson wants to go with a national approach though from what you read.

I think they'd go for general areas rather than keep the whole country locked down for one area like Bury though. If Manchester has a whole is going down...

[efcfanwirral]

(Ignore the text it's just the video I'm posting)

Very hard to imagine we won't have to do the same eventually, no way will we get enough take up to avoid it 

[xxialac]

2 minutes ago, efcfanwirral said:

(Ignore the text it's just the video I'm posting)

Very hard to imagine we won't have to do the same eventually, no way will we get enough take up to avoid it 

The UK is actually at a disadvantage not having ID cards (never thought I'd write this)

You'll need to match the test result to official ID or it's pointless.

On the plus side, Laurence Fox is currently having an aneurism watching this.

[gizmoman]

1 hour ago, stuartbert two hats said:

I'm getting increasingly suspicious of Dr John Campbell on YouTube and his little obsessions. He thinks he's objective and "follows the data" like a proper scientist, but doesn't seem to come to the same conclusions as other people when reading studies. He's absolutely obsessed with Vitamin D, but not everyone else is so convinced:

 

Note that Dr C isn't actually mentioned on this thread as far as I know, but records a lengthy video on every study that says Vitamin D is wonderful and doesn't ever seem to cover those that say it doesn't do very much.

He's interviewed David Davis and thinks he's wonderful.

It's easy to rubbish studies that are done on a small scale and on the cheap, the fact is there is little to no funding for "proper" research into this because there is no profit to be had, indeed if taking Vit D improves peoples health it costs the drug companies money by reducing demand for their existing products. There is simply no incentive to fund serious research.

Having said that, the importance of vitamin D is firmly established and there is no doubt the majority of people are deficient especially in the winter, taking supplements (within reason) has no risk and will improve your health. You may think Campbell is obsessed with this and has lost objectivity but there are now countless papers saying the same thing, I suggest you watch this lecture from Gresham college, it's not about supplements per se but explains the importance of Vitamin D and the history behind our understanding of it.

 

[zahidf]

I think its fine to generally take vitamin d supplements. Not sure there's enough evidence to make it a requirement in covid prevention though.

[stuartbert two hats]

Just now, zahidf said:

I think its fine to generally take vitamin d supplements. Not sure there's enough evidence to make it a requirement in covid prevention though.

To be clear, I have started taking vitamin D supplements, but I certainly don't trust Dr C so much any more. He covered a hydroxychloroquine study that nobody else touched and our own @Toilet Duckwas unconvinced by.

[Fuzzy Afro]

Found out recently that I’m severely vitamin D deficient myself (been having regular blood tests due to a recently diagnosed medical issue - the deficiency was a totally incidental find)

 

Not sure whether it actually makes a difference re: Covid but I will say this. There is something VERY odd about the IFR in this country compared to other similar European countries. If you look at case numbers compared to the number of deaths, a Brit who catches covid is far more likely to die than someone who catches it elsewhere.

 

Possible explanations:

 

- Unhealthy population (more obesity etc)

- More vitamin D deficiency

- Are we not optimally treating patients? Seems unlikely though given we are at the forefront of scientific research. 
 

[gizmoman]

9 minutes ago, stuartbert two hats said:

To be clear, I have started taking vitamin D supplements, but I certainly don't trust Dr C so much any more. He covered a hydroxychloroquine study that nobody else touched and our own @Toilet Duckwas unconvinced by.

You mean the same hydroxychloroquine given to the patients in this same study you doubt?

"All hospitalized patients received the same standard therapy, consisting in hydroxychloroquine 400 mg/24h
first day and 200 mg/24h 4 days with azithromycin 500 mg/24h 3 days, plus ceftriaxone 1 or 2 g/24h 7
days when there was bacterial superinfection. Patients with severe or critical conditions of pulmonary
inflammation or clinical suspicion of cytokine storm were additionally treated with dexamethasone bolus
(20 mg/day x 4 days) according to hospital guidelines."

Why wouldn't he cover what was a prospective treatment? I don't take what he says as gospel and in fact he wasn't the one who pointed me to Vit D early last year, there are plenty of other sources of information but you have to make a judgement on who is genuine, if you think he is pushing this for clicks I disagree but we all have to decide who we trust.

[gizmoman]

15 minutes ago, Fuzzy Afro said:

Found out recently that I’m severely vitamin D deficient myself (been having regular blood tests due to a recently diagnosed medical issue - the deficiency was a totally incidental find)

 

Not sure whether it actually makes a difference re: Covid but I will say this. There is something VERY odd about the IFR in this country compared to other similar European countries. If you look at case numbers compared to the number of deaths, a Brit who catches covid is far more likely to die than someone who catches it elsewhere.

 

Possible explanations:

 

- Unhealthy population (more obesity etc)

- More vitamin D deficiency

- Are we not optimally treating patients? Seems unlikely though given we are at the forefront of scientific research. 
 

Watch the video I posted, if you don't want to watch it all from 9 to 14 minutes he explains how lower sunshine levels in Scotland in particular affect health and life expectancy, Glasgow is the most northerly heavily populated area in europe.