zahidf Posted February 17, 2019 Report Share Posted February 17, 2019 2 hours ago, eastynh said: What do our Irish posters make of Declan Rice's decision to play for England? Now the lad is English and it is a far better career decision ro play for England rather than ROI. Yet it does not sit right with me that you can play at all youth levels and then senior level for one country, then change your mind and choose to play for another nation. Yes Rice is English, but the way the rules are, he was able to play for ROI. He made his bed, he should have to lay in it imo. Well no, they didn't cap him at a senior level. He complied with the rules. too messed up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eastynh Posted February 17, 2019 Report Share Posted February 17, 2019 26 minutes ago, zahidf said: Well no, they didn't cap him at a senior level. He complied with the rules. too messed up I thought he had 3 full caps but did not play in a competitive match?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kaosmark2 Posted February 17, 2019 Report Share Posted February 17, 2019 38 minutes ago, zahidf said: Well no, they didn't cap him at a senior level. He complied with the rules. too messed up He played in 3 friendlies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zahidf Posted February 17, 2019 Report Share Posted February 17, 2019 15 minutes ago, eastynh said: I thought he had 3 full caps but did not play in a competitive match?? Yup that's what I meant! Should have made it clearer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pink_triangle Posted February 17, 2019 Report Share Posted February 17, 2019 I think if you play a friendly match then you shouldn't be allowed to change. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zahidf Posted February 17, 2019 Report Share Posted February 17, 2019 3 minutes ago, pink_triangle said: I think if you play a friendly match then you shouldn't be allowed to change. They'll have to change the rules then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kaosmark2 Posted February 17, 2019 Report Share Posted February 17, 2019 4 minutes ago, pink_triangle said: I think if you play a friendly match then you shouldn't be allowed to change. In principle I agree, however wouldn't that then only encourage the English team to call lots of potential players up to friendlies to lock them in as English and then not actually pick them again? I imagine the same would happen with France and lots of African countries, Germany vs Turkey, and a few others. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pink_triangle Posted February 17, 2019 Report Share Posted February 17, 2019 2 minutes ago, zahidf said: They'll have to change the rules then. Yes, that's what I would change the rule. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pink_triangle Posted February 17, 2019 Report Share Posted February 17, 2019 Just now, kaosmark2 said: In principle I agree, however wouldn't that then only encourage the English team to call lots of potential players up to friendlies to lock them in as English and then not actually pick them again? I imagine the same would happen with France and lots of African countries, Germany vs Turkey, and a few others. Possibly. Declan Rice may have never played those friendlies if my proposed rule was in place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kaosmark2 Posted February 17, 2019 Report Share Posted February 17, 2019 Just now, pink_triangle said: Possibly. Declan Rice may have never played those friendlies if my proposed rule was in place. I suspect whatever system you have, in issues of dual-nationality the bigger nation will always end up with more power. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pink_triangle Posted February 17, 2019 Report Share Posted February 17, 2019 1 minute ago, kaosmark2 said: I suspect whatever system you have, in issues of dual-nationality the bigger nation will always end up with more power. It's interesting that David Brooks made the opposite choice after playing (and winning best player) for England in the 2017 Toulon tournament. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kaosmark2 Posted February 17, 2019 Report Share Posted February 17, 2019 2 minutes ago, pink_triangle said: It's interesting that David Brooks made the opposite choice after playing (and winning best player) for England in the 2017 Toulon tournament. Well there's different factors at play. I suspect if you're a midfielder/striker you'd rather play as the star in an average team than occasionally make the squad for England, while a defender might want to play in a better team and have the (small) chance of winning trophies and playing in tournaments regularly. Speculation though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pink_triangle Posted February 17, 2019 Report Share Posted February 17, 2019 2 minutes ago, kaosmark2 said: Well there's different factors at play. I suspect if you're a midfielder/striker you'd rather play as the star in an average team than occasionally make the squad for England, while a defender might want to play in a better team and have the (small) chance of winning trophies and playing in tournaments regularly. Speculation though. I also think he was a bit off the radar at a championship club. When Bournemouth signed Welsh international David Brooks, my first response was who the hell is David Brooks. Now I would consider giving him young player of the year, but the criteria is screwed so I doubt he will. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kaosmark2 Posted February 17, 2019 Report Share Posted February 17, 2019 1 minute ago, pink_triangle said: I also think he was a bit off the radar at a championship club. When Bournemouth signed Welsh international David Brooks, my first response was who the hell is David Brooks. Now I would consider giving him young player of the year, but the criteria is screwed so I doubt he will. Also true. England will generally only pick from the prem, and maybe the bundesliga if hyped youngsters keep moving there. The other nations here will be a lot happier taking championship players. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pink_triangle Posted February 17, 2019 Report Share Posted February 17, 2019 Talking about rules I would like to change. I think it's ridiculous that Scholes can manage in one league and hold shares in a team the league below. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eastynh Posted February 17, 2019 Report Share Posted February 17, 2019 5 hours ago, pink_triangle said: Talking about rules I would like to change. I think it's ridiculous that Scholes can manage in one league and hold shares in a team the league below. I thought they were a couple of leagues below. Are they not in the same league as FC United. It is only a minority share Scholes has and he has no input into the running of the club. I think if there was a conflict, he would sell his shares in Salford City. Even throughout his United playing days, he has never hid his love of Latics. I think that would trump his token investment in Salford City. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pink_triangle Posted February 18, 2019 Report Share Posted February 18, 2019 2 hours ago, eastynh said: I thought they were a couple of leagues below. Are they not in the same league as FC United. It is only a minority share Scholes has and he has no input into the running of the club. I think if there was a conflict, he would sell his shares in Salford City. Even throughout his United playing days, he has never hid his love of Latics. I think that would trump his token investment in Salford City. No it's one league below. An unmeasurable factor like how much you love your club should not factor into it. Even if a minority stake you should have to sell if you want to manage. I think you should be allowed to be a manager, or a minority shareholder, but not both Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jyoung Posted February 18, 2019 Report Share Posted February 18, 2019 Conflict of interests of you ask me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zahidf Posted February 18, 2019 Report Share Posted February 18, 2019 Long (but interesting) thread on Liverpool's finances Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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thetime Posted February 18, 2019 Report Share Posted February 18, 2019 Not played anyone yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Comfy Bean Posted February 18, 2019 Report Share Posted February 18, 2019 Millwall like a home draw. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jyoung Posted February 18, 2019 Report Share Posted February 18, 2019 18 minutes ago, thetime said: Not played anyone yet. CFC probs not the best example of a top team right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eFestivals Posted February 19, 2019 Report Share Posted February 19, 2019 9 hours ago, thetime said: Not played anyone yet. you've played the team who City had just beaten 6-0. Anything less than 0-2 would be a poor Utd performance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eastynh Posted February 19, 2019 Report Share Posted February 19, 2019 I am glad to see our red cousins in form and doing well. Its fantastic for Greater Manchester. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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