This morning...

[eFestivals]

PS: you're still not presenting me with any of that "we hate Jews, Muslims and everyone that's not white" stuff that you say was front and centre of Trump's campaign.

Is that because you're lazy, incompetent and useless or simply because it just doesn't exist?

[eFestivals]

21 minutes ago, Scruffylovemonster said:

Do you take your news or opinions from anywhere other than twitter? How do you know that that is true?

This is the thing.

He keeps on posting stuff that claims as a certain fact that (for example) Bannon is a Jew-hating white supremacist, yet has failed to provide anything - absolutely nothing - to back up his claim (even the articles he posts links to are devoid of it, they merely repeat the same things he claims but never proves)

And then he goes further, and claimed he was a "literal Nazi", with the implication of him wanting death camps and what have you.

I'm quite happy to accept that Bannon very probably holds some despicable views around race, and might even attempt to introduce laws or policies to give greater privileges towards white people, but the Nazi stuff? It just makes zahidf look foolish.

And if you stop for a moment and consider what "white privilege" policies he might introduce, my own guess would be stuff like more state services targeted towards everyone-in-theory but where whites pick up most of the benefit, instead of "diversity policies" that are designed to address some of the imbalances in American society and aren't beneficial towards white people.

I'm not thinking that such a change of slant would be a good thing, yet it's not nazism or apartheid or anything close to it. 

You don't call out the bullshitters with even bigger bullshit.

 

Edited November 16, 2016 by eFestivals

[zahidf]

1 hour ago, eFestivals said:

PS: you're still not presenting me with any of that "we hate Jews, Muslims and everyone that's not white" stuff that you say was front and centre of Trump's campaign.

Is that because you're lazy, incompetent and useless or simply because it just doesn't exist?

I have, you just discount the anti-muslim stuff as only being against non-americans. Except the 'thousands and thousands' of new jersey muslims who he accused of celebrating 9-11,  which was a racist lie. And him saying Mrs Khan isnt allowed to sepak because she is a female muslim (Again, a lie). And breitbart accusing Mr Khan of having terrorist links (Again, a racist lie)

For Bannon, there is the headline of his calling Bill Kristol a 'Renegade Jew' and all the coded anti- semitic language in his speeches and campaign video. All condemned as coded anti- semitism by the anti defamation league (Who should know). But that's apparently just an anti- globalisation pitch, without any coded references. Oh, and that leaflet having a go at Clinton using the star of david in the background

The birther stuff is genuine racism and condemned as such by every anti-racism organisation. But again, thats just politics as usual, what the hell to those organisations know about it?

Edited November 16, 2016 by zahidf

[eFestivals]

7 minutes ago, zahidf said:

I have, you just discount the anti-muslim stuff as only being against non-americans. Except the 'thousands and thousands' of new jersey muslims who he accused of celebrating 9-11,  which was a racist lie. And him saying Mrs Khan isnt allowed to sepak because she is a female muslim (Again, a lie). And breitbart accusing Mr Khan of having terrorist links (Again, a racist lie)

For Bannon, there is the headline of his calling Bill Kristol a 'Renegade Jew' and all the coded anti- semitic language in his speeches and campaign video. All condemned as coded anti- semitism by the anti defamation league (Who should know). But that's apparently just an anti- globalisation pitch, without any coded references.

The birther stuff is genuine racism and condemned as such by every anti-racism organisation. But again, thats just politics as usual, what the hell to those organisations know about it?

You provided some stuff that your claims for doesn't match the facts.

I'm not denying anything about Trump's use of racism. We all know he used racism. The discussion has moved on with his victory, into what that racism might mean in its policy effect.

You're making assertions of "nazi" and why particular races need to be "terrified". I asked you to show me stuff that would genuinely terrify people, and you've been able to provide nothing at all. Zilch. Zero. Nada.

I've asked you what precise policies you fear Trump might introduce and what basis you have for those, and the best you've managed is the suggestion - just the suggestion - that Trump might re-introduce an immigration register most specifically targeted towards Muslims.

I'm not pretending that register would be a good thing, but when Bush introduced it no one was screaming Nazi or was claiming death camps are the next step.

(Meanwhile, it's just been flagged up in Britain that the UK is in the shit with trying to manage the population within the country because it doesn't have a register of immigrants, while the likes of - nazi? apartheid? - Belgium does have.)

I'm not condoning the suggestion of a register of Muslim immigrants to the USA and I believe it would be counter-productive, yet that doesn't stop me recognising that some people are wanting it not because of a specific hatred of Muslims, but because of specific mass-murdering criminal acts that are being caused by just-some - but very specifically - Muslims.

Even Trump's words about it made that abundantly clear. He made reference to the fact that a year before (when he said the words) such a register would not have been necessary, and that it's something which has come about for consideration due to some specific new terrorist acts (the ones in France).

You say Trump is full of shit. I agree.

You more than match him, and are just as quick to express your hatred for a huge swath of the US population - by more than Trump has done.

[zahidf]

Worth reading for the Real issues with a muslim register. 

 

 

 

[eFestivals]

7 minutes ago, zahidf said:

Worth reading for the Real issues with a muslim register. 

are they different issues to the issues that the not-Nazi Bush had around the identical thing that makes everyone a Nazi?

Just wondering, like.

 

[clarkete]

3 hours ago, Cornelius_Fudge said:

What lies have I said?

Well have got got any sources,  as at least one aspect of your last reply is straight out of breitbart. 

[DeanoL]

2 hours ago, zahidf said:

For Bannon, there is the headline of his calling Bill Kristol a 'Renegade Jew' and all the coded anti- semitic language in his speeches and campaign video. All condemned as coded anti- semitism by the anti defamation league (Who should know).

What's a "coded reference"? He's using special words to secretly let other anti-semites know he's one of them? Why would he do that? Especially if the anti-defamation league also have access to the code.

[zahidf]

52 minutes ago, DeanoL said:

What's a "coded reference"? He's using special words to secretly let other anti-semites know he's one of them? Why would he do that? Especially if the anti-defamation league also have access to the code.

Um, its dog whistle politics

More experts talking about Trumps anti-semitism. But then what would these guys know, hey!

 We witnessed repeated anti-Semitic expressions and insinuations during the Trump campaign.  Much of this anti-Semitism was directed against journalists, either Jewish or with Jewish-sounding names.  The candidate himself refused to denounce—and even retweeted--language and images that struck us as manifestly anti-Semitic.  By not doing so, his campaign gave license to haters of Jews, who truck in conspiracy theories about world Jewish domination.

 

http://www.jewishjournal.com/opinion/article/jewish_historians_speak_out_on_the_election_of_donald_trump

Edited November 16, 2016 by zahidf

[The Nal]

Whatever about the Jewish thing, I really thought this would be the end of him

Edited November 16, 2016 by The Nal

[marcoolio]

Just now, The Nal said:

Whatever about the Jewish thing, I really thought this would be the end of him

 

Trump was probably just trying to reach out to the ablist segment of the population. Can you prove his policies are purposely and deliberately designed to discriminate against people with disabilities? Remember, in 1990 George Bush signed the Americans with Disabilities Act, which has been criticized on the grounds that it decreases the employment rate for people with disabilities, so really it's just Republicans being Republicans.

 

[zahidf]

20 minutes ago, The Nal said:

Whatever about the Jewish thing, I really thought this would be the end of him

That was is impression of a liberal elitist wasnt it? How else was he supposed to act.

Other than his words and actioms, what real evidence do you have?

I could say his voters saw this and didnt care. And i will, because they saw this, cheered him(in the clip and probably at home) and voted for him

[eFestivals]

12 minutes ago, zahidf said:

That was is impression of a liberal elitist wasnt it? How else was he supposed to act.

Other than his words and actioms, what real evidence do you have?

I could say his voters saw this and didnt care. And i will, because they saw this, cheered him(in the clip and probably at home) and voted for him

We've got plenty of evidence that he's a racist dick.

But there's plenty of different levels of racist in how they might want their racism enacted.

There's absolutely no sane reason for anyone to be stretching things as far as you've been doing, unless they're in a biggest-bullshitter competition with Trump.

Edited November 16, 2016 by eFestivals

[Cornelius_Fudge]

1 hour ago, clarkete said:

Well have got got any sources,  as at least one aspect of your last reply is straight out of breitbart. 

If you can't pinpoint which one is a lie, or you don't have any facts to prove that it's a lie, then why go around telling people they're spreading lies.

That's why we're in this mess with Trump in the first place.

[stuartbert two hats]

Looks like the Muslim register may be going ahead. I'm not sure that this is normal Republican stuff. I'm sure time will tell.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/donald-trump-muslim-registry-immigrants-policy-kris-bobach-reinstate-wall-a7420296.html

[grumpyhack]

One of the things for me that marks out a civilised society is a concern to help others less fortunate than yourself (like EFesters offering to help out others who may be ticketless).

[russycarps]

10 hours ago, stuartbert two hats said:

Looks like the Muslim register may be going ahead. I'm not sure that this is normal Republican stuff. I'm sure time will tell.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/donald-trump-muslim-registry-immigrants-policy-kris-bobach-reinstate-wall-a7420296.html

that article says dubya created a similar register after 9/11 so it seems like it is pretty normal stuff for a Republican president I'd say! 

I bet Theresa may would have one too if she thought she could get away with it

 

[clarkete]

37 minutes ago, russycarps said:

I bet Theresa may would have one too if she thought she could get away with it

 

She can just read  what you say online instead, as mentioned here.. 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citizenfour

[eFestivals]

11 hours ago, stuartbert two hats said:

Looks like the Muslim register may be going ahead. I'm not sure that this is normal Republican stuff. I'm sure time will tell.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/donald-trump-muslim-registry-immigrants-policy-kris-bobach-reinstate-wall-a7420296.html

'the Muslim register' was introduced by George W Bush at the time of 9/11. 

Tell me again that it's not normal republican stuff.

Trump said he'd re-introduce after the 2nd Paris attacks a year ago, rather than randomly pulled it out of the air.

It's a stupid idea and an over-reaction to those Paris attacks, but I'd say it's difficult to claim it's not within standard Republican thinking,

[zahidf]

Trump hiring his brood of inbred morons for the white house.

 

Like sadamm hussein now...

[eFestivals]

46 minutes ago, zahidf said:

Trump hiring his brood of inbred morons for the white house.

 

Like sadamm hussein now...

or just like George Bush, George Bush, Ronnie Reagan, and Nixon.

The sane aren't republicans.

[zahidf]

38 minutes ago, eFestivals said:

or just like George Bush, George Bush, Ronnie Reagan, and Nixon.

The sane aren't republicans.

 

[zahidf]

 

[eFestivals]

wow, the USA has voted for an incompetent, the UK would never do that, right....?

[waterfalls212434]

It gets better http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/donald-trump-frank-gaffney-national-security-advisor-beliefs-conspiracy-theorist-islamophobia-a7420241.html

`judge a man by the company he keeps`.......at this point he`ll be appointing david duke himself!

But no sorry not allowed to call him a bigot are we? after all we dont have any `proof` I mean hes surrounding himself with people who are bigots and pretty fucking notorius bigots in some case but that doesnt mean he aggrees with them!.....he just wants them to dictate national policys! whats wrong with that! LEAVVVEEE DONNNNALLLDD ALOOOONEEE! hes not a racist hes just a very naughty boy!

Edited November 17, 2016 by waterfalls212434