Take That Rule Out Playing

[Big Vern]

All the musical snobbery on this site really is a bit tedious isn't it? Some people on here seem to seriously believe that other people will be impressed if they SHOUT REALLY LOUDLY about all the independent/more credible artists they like, while belittling in a really OTT fashion anyone who confesses to liking something commercial.

Where does this attitude come from? I think it must be insecurity. If you really have to work that hard to constantly portray an image of yourself as being that on the money and superior, you're clearly spending too much time worrying about how a group of people that you've never even met before perceive you to be.

Bands I've seen at Glasto in the past and enjoyed include The Wombats, Glasvegas, Coldplay and Keane. I hope that none of the superior beings that deign to communicate with us lower forms on these boards explode with self-righteous laughter after reading that sentence.

[fullfathom5]

Apologies that I can't be bothered to check if anyone's posted this yet and yes we don't know whether to take this as gospel but Emily tweeted that Take That are not playing a couple of days ago.

[Redwinevino]

All the musical snobbery on this site really is a bit tedious isn't it? Some people on here seem to seriously believe that other people will be impressed if they SHOUT REALLY LOUDLY about all the independent/more credible artists they like, while belittling in a really OTT fashion anyone who confesses to liking something commercial.

Where does this attitude come from? I think it must be insecurity. If you really have to work that hard to constantly portray an image of yourself as being that on the money and superior, you're clearly spending too much time worrying about how a group of people that you've never even met before perceive you to be.

Bands I've seen at Glasto in the past and enjoyed include The Wombats, Glasvegas, Coldplay and Keane. I hope that none of the superior beings that deign to communicate with us lower forms on these boards explode with self-righteous laughter after reading that sentence.

[Big Vern]

I get what you are saying but surely is ok to have a discussion about taste on a forum about a music festival?

Didn't she say Stevie wasn't playing?

Edited November 2, 2010 by Big Vern

[sifi]

The problem isn't people having an opinion, the problem is the childish insulting of those who have differing musical tastes and also of artists/genres that people don't like, as it tends to be comments that are not constructive ie "so and so is shit" or "you are a moron/cloth eared" etc.

[Homer]

I get what you are saying but surely is ok to have a discussion about taste on a forum about a music festival?

[GlastoEls]

With Take That, it was utterly different. Record Company executives looked at the market, and decided that they could sell lots and lots of records by creating a band which ticked certain boxes in terms of their look, their image, their dancing and their music. People were interviewed to a job description. People were chosen and the band was created. And it went on to sell bucket loads to that specific group.

[eFestivals]

No my friend, I think demand and popularity should dictate who headlines/appears at any festival.

So that's the next five years of headliners sorted then. Westlife, Boyzone, Girls Aloud, N-Dubz, and whichever X Factor reject manages to string out the hype.

And radio one is to become those acts on constant repeat, while Later with Jools becomes the new TOTP.

I love this brave new world.

[sifi]

Don't disagree with that in principle - but to me, Take That (over most in their genre) get the benefit of the doubt as they have always written and performed Gary Barlow's own stuff.

Edited November 2, 2010 by sifimaster

[5co77ie]

So that's the next five years of headliners sorted then. Westlife, Boyzone, Girls Aloud, N-Dubz, and whichever X Factor reject manages to string out the hype.

And radio one is to become those acts on constant repeat, while Later with Jools becomes the new TOTP.

I love this brave new world.

[Homer]

FYI: the origins of Take That are that Barlow was some sort of porky, teenage, cardigan wearing, piano playing, songwriting prodigy who was destined for big things, but his manager decided that he wouldn't succeed on his own, so he decided that he needed a boyband around him to be a success. Which would appear to be a pretty shrewd assessment if you remember his solo career...

[MEGABOWL]

Yes, I recognise that, but it still doesn't detract from the original founding of the band, and they were cynically created to appeal to the lowest common denominator in order to maximise revenue in a specific niche, nor the fact they used to all sing and dance up front whilst presumambly a back tape played in the background.

That's partly why I don't want them attached to the festival in anyway. The other part is of having to explain to all the people who have an idea of what Glasto is from the tabloid press as to why I'd be going to a festival where Take That are playing for the next four months!

I'd like to say I've no aversion to chart pop music either, and realise that there is and always has been pop music at Glasto. I wouldn't be kicking up such a stink if Lady Gaga played, for example. Wouldn't be there mind.

[russycarps]

To the person who didnt know what manufactured meant, have a read of this. It sums it all up nicely.

In 1989, Nigel Martin-Smith sought to create a British male vocal singing group. Having seen the success and fame of what was the nascent concept of boy bands following the meteoric rise of the New Kids on the Block in the United States, he realised there was no such contemporary group in the United Kingdom. Martin-Smith's vision, however, was more teen-oriented than the clean-cut image that the New Kids sported in the media. A campaign to audition young men with abilities in dancing and singing took place in Manchester and other surrounding cities in 1990.

Rock and roll!

[MEGABOWL]

No my friend, I think demand and popularity should dictate who headlines/appears at any festival. By the sound of it, maybe you should just stay at home and listen to your collection of classic LPs that only the discerning music lover would appreciate as I think you are on a much higher plain that Glastonbury or any music festival can deliver to you.

[Big Vern]

So that's the next five years of headliners sorted then. Westlife, Boyzone, Girls Aloud, N-Dubz, and whichever X Factor reject manages to string out the hype.

And radio one is to become those acts on constant repeat, while Later with Jools becomes the new TOTP.

I love this brave new world.

[Big Vern]

You sure about that? Think of all the classic headlining sets that simply wouldn't have happened if that were the criteria-Radiohead wouldn't have played in 1997 because Boyzone, Spice Girls and Aqua would have topped the bill. Bowie in 2000? Nah, Westlife, Britney Spears and Craig David. That McCartney fella may have sold some records in the past and they nearly booked him in 2004 but couldn't justify putting him on ahead of Maroon 5, usher and Joss Stone.

It has to be about a lot more than popularity otherwise it'd just be a farce. Don't take it from me either....

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/8112626.stm

""We just make a judgement on what we see and what we hear really," "The thing is, you don't need a good album. You need to be able to play a really good live set. We're not bothered about how many records you've sold.""

[eFestivals]

What I am saying is that, in my opinion and perception, is that Glasto is traditionally a festival for all types of music and types of music lovers, in which case surely anybody who likes music, of any type, can attend and any artist, of any music genre, can play, if their is sufficient demand?

... and if the Eavis' invite them to play, yes.

It's not an angle I've ever argued against.

[fullfathom5]

Didn't she say Stevie wasn't playing?

[craiga]

To the person who didnt know what manufactured meant, have a read of this. It sums it all up nicely.

In 1989, Nigel Martin-Smith sought to create a British male vocal singing group. Having seen the success and fame of what was the nascent concept of boy bands following the meteoric rise of the New Kids on the Block in the United States, he realised there was no such contemporary group in the United Kingdom. Martin-Smith's vision, however, was more teen-oriented than the clean-cut image that the New Kids sported in the media. A campaign to audition young men with abilities in dancing and singing took place in Manchester and other surrounding cities in 1990.

Rock and roll!

[russycarps]

Surely The Libertines story is almost identical to the Take That story which you are using as the definition of manufactured.

A few years ago, The Libertines manager sought to create a British Strokes. Having seen the success and fame of The Strokes, following the meteoric rise of The Strokes in the United States, she realised there was no such contemporary group in the United Kingdom. The Libertines manager vision, however, was more British than the American image that the Strokes sported in the media. A campaign to audition bands with abilities to sing and play instruments took place in London and other surrounding cities.

[bamber]

We will always disagree about musical credibility and styles but can we all agree that Gary Barlow as an active Tory, ( he has shared a platform with Cameron) should not at any point be invited to perform his bland, saccharine lyrics to what has always been a predominately socialist and alternative festival where so many politically charged heavyweight acts have trodden before.

[sifi]

Jesus.

[The Nal]

Jesus.

[JC-Mo'Fucka]

No.

"The Libertines are an English rock band. Formed in London in 1997 by frontmen Carl Barât (vocals/lead guitar) and Pete Doherty (vocals/rhythm guitar)"

"In 1989, Nigel Martin-Smith sought to create a British male vocal singing group."

The difference is very clear.

[thesecretingredientiscrime]

Surely The Libertines story is almost identical to the Take That story which you are using as the definition of manufactured.

A few years ago, The Libertines manager sought to create a British Strokes. Having seen the success and fame of The Strokes, following the meteoric rise of The Strokes in the United States, she realised there was no such contemporary group in the United Kingdom. The Libertines manager vision, however, was more British than the American image that the Strokes sported in the media. A campaign to audition bands with abilities to sing and play instruments took place in London and other surrounding cities.