UK Politics

[kaosmark2]

4 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

Attacking? Nah, it's just not very liberal. They're not blaming a shadowy elite for the country's ills.

I guess you could argue they were more populist under Corbyn, for the many not the few and all that. I guess also Burnham has leant into the westminster elite thing with his devolution plans.

Labour's message on every single one of those groups has been "we agree with Reform that this group are a problem, vote for us!"

Edited Wednesday at 10:19 by kaosmark2

[lost]

Burnham admitting he won't be able to deliver what the consultation process comes up with under the current promises made in the labour manifesto, so guessing on a slightly earlier generation election based on asking the public do you want to pay this new tax for social care.

[kaosmark2]

22 hours ago, xxialac said:

Fair enough. Doesn't mean that he doesn't sometimes outsource.

 

It's extremely believable that Polanski/his aide saw a bunch of incoming photos of a Green Party linked event and without scrutinising each one, just hit accept on the share.

 

Certainly it's inconceivable to prosecute someone for accepting a retweet of a shared set of pictures that anyone could reasonably expect to be harmless.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2026/jul/29/honeymoon-over-zack-polanski-burnham-green

 

Green figures apparently asking him to outsource and get off social media.

 

This idea has definitely been shared before new grauniad article on it.

[xxialac]

4 minutes ago, lost said:

Burnham admitting he won't be able to deliver what the consultation process comes up with under the current promises made in the labour manifesto, so guessing on a slightly earlier generation election based on asking the public do you want to pay this new tax for social care.

If the question to the public is do you want to pay more tax, the answer is no 100% of the time, unless it disproportionately affects a small group and the majority are untouched by it.

[sheffinghell]

26 minutes ago, xxialac said:

If the question to the public is do you want to pay more tax, the answer is no 100% of the time, unless it disproportionately affects a small group and the majority are untouched by it.

Correct. The question needs to be something like, what is the fairest way to pay for social care.

[steviewevie]

47 minutes ago, kaosmark2 said:

Labour's message on every single one of those groups has been "we agree with Reform that this group are a problem, vote for us!"

Doesn't make them populists...they could say we agree with Reform on nationalising utiiities vote for us or we agree with Greens on a wealth tax vote for us and that wouldn't make them populists either.

[steviewevie]

12 minutes ago, sheffinghell said:

Correct. The question needs to be something like, what is the fairest way to pay for social care.

Don't done have a pledge to not increase NI or income tax, do have a pledge to fund a national care service...and leave it at that.

[kaosmark2]

Just now, steviewevie said:

Doesn't make them populists...they could say we agree with Reform on nationalising utiiities vote for us or we agree with Greens on a wealth tax vote for us and that wouldn't make them populists either.

"We represent you, the ordinary people, not like the Westminster elite! We will stop the benefits scroungers stealing your money! We're stopping the small boats! (p.s. we're not reform)"

[xxialac]

6 minutes ago, sheffinghell said:

Correct. The question needs to be something like, what is the fairest way to pay for social care.

Absolutely And spoiler on the answer: the fairest way is that someone else other than me pays for it!

[steviewevie]

4 minutes ago, kaosmark2 said:

"We represent you, the ordinary people, not like the Westminster elite! We will stop the benefits scroungers stealing your money! We're stopping the small boats! (p.s. we're not reform)"

is that an actual quote?

[steviewevie]

2 minutes ago, xxialac said:

Absolutely And spoiler on the answer: the fairest way is that someone else other than me pays for it!

National Insurance is the best way to pay for it I reckon.

[kaosmark2]

1 minute ago, steviewevie said:

is that an actual quote?

No, it's paraphrasing, but they do say each section. 

 

Centrist (or centre-right) populism is a thing. Offering simple solutions while blaming minorities and an elite is absolutely something Labour are doing.

[steviewevie]

1 minute ago, kaosmark2 said:

No, it's paraphrasing, but they do say each section. 

 

Centrist (or centre-right) populism is a thing. Offering simple solutions while blaming minorities and an elite is absolutely something Labour are doing.

Got some quotes for that too?

Like "We hate all migrants and minorities and want them to f**king die" ?

[kaosmark2]

4 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

Got some quotes for that too?

Like "We hate all migrants and minorities and want them to f**king die" ?

Even Farage doesn't say literally that.

[steviewevie]

With this social care thing seems like Burnham is putting a lot of emphasis on Louise Casey's report, and if she says tax rises are needed then that's what he'll do, and if you don't like it tough f**king sh*t.

[pink_triangle]

 

27 minutes ago, sheffinghell said:

Correct. The question needs to be something like, what is the fairest way to pay for social care.

Unfortunately for that to be the question every party needs to be on board. The trouble is it would not be for reform and conservative political advantage to think long term. I do however believe if Labour could implement a solution the opposition parties wouldn’t undo if they got in power, they just don’t want the blood on their hands.

 

I think probably the only way forward is for Labour and Lib Dem’s to come up with a unified solution and take it to the electorate . I don’t think there are many (If any) lab lib marginals now, so I think this would be possible.

[steviewevie]

1 minute ago, pink_triangle said:

 

Unfortunately for that to be the question every party needs to be on board. The trouble is it would not be for reform and conservative political advantage to think long term. I do however believe if Labour could implement a solution the opposition parties wouldn’t undo if they got in power, they just don’t want the blood on their hands.

 

I think probably the only way forward is for Labour and Lib Dem’s to come up with a unified solution and take it to the electorate . I don’t think there are many (If any) lab lib marginals now, so I think this would be possible.

Badenoch could play this well. I think all would like a solution to Care, and all must know a tax rise is needed...so let labour take the heat for putting up tax with a new levy for a Care service...and then no one else has to and that issue is kind of resolved. Reversing it would be madness. They didn't reverse what Attlee did in the late 40s, it was part of the reason they were so succesful.

[lost]

At a time when you've got someone like Elon Musk saying in 5 years we will have robots waiting on us hand and foot and we won't need carers and Burnham saying we need to spend tens of billions setting a new NHS with nurse style pay grades for carers, it will be interesting to see who is right.

[xxialac]

Labour's hope of winning is

- Burnham remains someone people wouldn't mind having a pint with in the public eyes

- Reform continue to implode

- Buddying up with the LIbDems as much as possible and accepting will be a coalition

 

Sadly putting in place a system to fix social care won't win them any votes, it will only lose them votes.

[xxialac]

Just now, lost said:

At a time when you've got someone like Elon Musk saying in 5 years we will have robots waiting on us hand and foot and we won't need carers and Burnham saying we need to spend tens of billions setting a new NHS with nurse style pay grades for carers, it will be interesting to see who is right.

Musk's predictions have in every case been wildly out. He is guaranteed to be wrong.

[steviewevie]

1 minute ago, lost said:

At a time when you've got someone like Elon Musk saying in 5 years we will have robots waiting on us hand and foot and we won't need carers and Burnham saying we need to spend tens of billions setting a new NHS with nurse style pay grades for carers, it will be interesting to see who is right.

Tenner it isn't Musk.

[steviewevie]

2 minutes ago, xxialac said:

Labour's hope of winning is

- Burnham remains someone people wouldn't mind having a pint with in the public eyes

- Reform continue to implode

- Buddying up with the LIbDems as much as possible and accepting will be a coalition

 

Sadly putting in place a system to fix social care won't win them any votes, it will only lose them votes.

I don't know about your last point...aging population, more and more people affected by a sh*tty social care system. 

[steviewevie]

5 minutes ago, lost said:

At a time when you've got someone like Elon Musk saying in 5 years we will have robots waiting on us hand and foot and we won't need carers and Burnham saying we need to spend tens of billions setting a new NHS with nurse style pay grades for carers, it will be interesting to see who is right.

actually they're already going down that route in Japan...not sure how successful it is.

[lost]

3 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

actually they're already going down that route in Japan...not sure how successful it is.

 

I guess there will become a point with AI where it just clicks and numbers increase exponentially. Probably after the point it surpasses human intelligence. 

[steviewevie]

10 minutes ago, lost said:

 

I guess there will become a point with AI where it just clicks and numbers increase exponentially. Probably after the point it surpasses human intelligence. 

something to look forward to,