UK Politics

[steviewevie]

7 minutes ago, Nobody Interesting said:

 

Yawn

Just quote the one part and ignore the rest - for me all this does is make the new government start to look more like the last one - rather than work together, listen and discuss simply thrown a small p[art of the whole picture to try and score political points.

Din't take them long to start did it

gobstopper

[Neil]

On 7/17/2024 at 2:14 PM, kaosmark2 said:

This is my concern really, when progressive Green policies are stopped by local "Green" NIMBYism. The issue is priorities, and like with other politicians, Greens' priority is their own seat/career. It shouldn't come as a surprise, just another reminder that it's naive to hope for anything better.

Its why they're called tree Tories 

[Neil]

1 hour ago, Nobody Interesting said:

 

Yawn

Just quote the one part and ignore the rest - for me all this does is make the new government start to look more like the last one - rather than work together, listen and discuss simply thrown a small p[art of the whole picture to try and score political points.

Din't take them long to start did it

Glad you've spotted the greens are like the Tories.

[kaosmark2]

6 hours ago, Crazyfool01 said:

Those just stop oil sentences ridiculously harsh when we have a problem with prison overcrowding. Hopefully new govt will take a look 

They also look ridiculous in comparison to sentencing (and conviction rates) for sexual assault, aggravated assault, hate crime, domestic abuse, etc.

 

This is vengeance sentencing, not practical sentencing, and goes against all the reasoned logic that seemed to go into appointing Timpson as prisons minister.

 

Protest is disruptive yes, but it isn't dangerous, and this was politically motivated sentencing.

 

Batshit.

[clarkete]

18 minutes ago, kaosmark2 said:

They also look ridiculous in comparison to sentencing (and conviction rates) for sexual assault, aggravated assault, hate crime, domestic abuse, etc.

 

This is vengeance sentencing, not practical sentencing, and goes against all the reasoned logic that seemed to go into appointing Timpson as prisons minister.

 

Protest is disruptive yes, but it isn't dangerous, and this was politically motivated sentencing.

 

Batshit.

"With environmental protest rising in the UK, ministers have sought to crack down on public disruptions by introducing legislation to curtail such activities — notably the Police, Crime, Sentencing and Courts Act 2022 and the Public Order Act 2023.

These changes, which strengthen police powers to restrict protests, to stop and search people “without suspicion”, as well as create new offences, have raised questions about civil liberties being encroached.

In January Michel Forst, the UN’s special rapporteur on environmental defenders, criticised the UK’s “increasingly severe crackdowns” on protest. He noted “it had been almost unheard of since the 1930s for members of the public to be imprisoned for peaceful protest in the UK”".

https://www.ft.com/content/f0bf8226-2072-4c15-b162-f611d93459b6

[steviewevie]

6 hours ago, clarkete said:

"With environmental protest rising in the UK, ministers have sought to crack down on public disruptions by introducing legislation to curtail such activities — notably the Police, Crime, Sentencing and Courts Act 2022 and the Public Order Act 2023.

These changes, which strengthen police powers to restrict protests, to stop and search people “without suspicion”, as well as create new offences, have raised questions about civil liberties being encroached.

In January Michel Forst, the UN’s special rapporteur on environmental defenders, criticised the UK’s “increasingly severe crackdowns” on protest. He noted “it had been almost unheard of since the 1930s for members of the public to be imprisoned for peaceful protest in the UK”".

https://www.ft.com/content/f0bf8226-2072-4c15-b162-f611d93459b6

 

Maybe Labour will repeal these new laws? 

I actually think there should be some sort of punishment for this and you can't just use we're worried about climate change as an excuse, but not silly prison sentences like the ones dished out to this lot. Short suspended sentence or a fine or community service planting trees or something.

Edited July 19, 2024 by steviewevie

[steviewevie]

w*nker

[LJS]

1 hour ago, steviewevie said:

 

Maybe Labour will repeal these new laws? 

I actually think there should be some sort of punishment for this and you can't just use we're worried about climate change as an excuse, but not silly prison sentences like the ones dished out to this lot. Short suspended sentence or a fine or community service planting trees or something.

or maybe they won't

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/oct/24/keir-starmer-backs-stiff-sentences-for-climate-protesters-who-block-roads

[steviewevie]

Computer says no

[MilkyJoe]

9 minutes ago, Nobody Interesting said:

 

A very strange jump on the bandwagon tweet from Racist Nige - the rioting was being carried out by people of all races, many good old white English folk joining in.
Maybe his blinkers block white folk.

That is exactly the case, he just jumps on any opportunity to drive his racist drivel.

[steviewevie]

Just now, MilkyJoe said:

That is exactly the case, he just jumps on any opportunity to drive his racist drivel.

It was Roma wasn't it? Nothing to do with subcontinent.

[kaosmark2]

3 hours ago, steviewevie said:

 

Maybe Labour will repeal these new laws? 

I actually think there should be some sort of punishment for this and you can't just use we're worried about climate change as an excuse, but not silly prison sentences like the ones dished out to this lot. Short suspended sentence or a fine or community service planting trees or something.

What about people who commit major white collar crime, such as financial fraud, which causes more harm/violence/suffering than the likes of robbery?

[steviewevie]

1 minute ago, kaosmark2 said:

What about people who commit major white collar crime, such as financial fraud, which causes more harm/violence/suffering than the likes of robbery?

what about them?

[lost]

Remember being caught up in the Bradford riots visiting a mate in 2001. Difference is twitter wasn't a thing then, seems to be huge amounts of U.S and Indian accounts retweeting this stuff

[kaosmark2]

30 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

what about them?

What sort of punishment/deterrence should apply there?

[steviewevie]

10 minutes ago, kaosmark2 said:

What sort of punishment/deterrence should apply there?

Err...you want my opinion of level punishment for a range of crimes?

I don't know, I guess depends how bad. 

Edited July 19, 2024 by steviewevie

[kaosmark2]

6 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

Err...you want my opinion of level punishment for a range of crimes?

I don't know, I guess depends how bad. 

Yes. If you're saying that peaceful protest needs a severe deterrence, I'm curious as to what deterrence you want to put on other crimes.

[kaosmark2]

44 minutes ago, lost said:

seems to be huge amounts of U.S and Indian accounts retweeting this stuff

Largely to push an Islamophobic agenda it seems

[steviewevie]

1 minute ago, kaosmark2 said:

Yes. If you're saying that peaceful protest needs a severe deterrence, I'm curious as to what deterrence you want to put on other crimes.

I said some sort of punishment in this case, blocking the M25...but not an actual prison sentence. Again just all depends on each individual case 

[steviewevie]

Govt restoring funding to UNRWA 

[LJS]

5% of people want the armed forces run by the private sector

[steviewevie]

 

[zahidf]

Assisted dying bill to be put as a private members bill as a free vote

[zahidf]

4 hours ago, steviewevie said:

I said some sort of punishment in this case, blocking the M25...but not an actual prison sentence. Again just all depends on each individual case 

In this case,the guy had 10 previous convictions and was on a suspended sentence...

[steviewevie]