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[steviewevie]

 

[steviewevie]

Just now, steviewevie said:

 

Green curious? Which are you:

These green-curious voters fall into five categories. First, the ‘Radical Red’ Greens, who are Labour-loyal, environmentally conscious activists who tend to be graduates. They rally behind policies such as the introduction of a four-day week and prioritise climate change along with health and housing.

Then there are the ‘Green Populists’, caught between the Green party and Labour. They believe that Labour represents the working class but think the Greens better reflect their interests on immigration, welfare, job security and climate change. They are the most likely of the five groups to support the Green party in the next election.

Next come the ‘Green Moderates’. They dislike Greta-style jeremiads and tend to be more pragmatic. Among this group, support for Labour is rising. The idea of a Green New Deal type of programme – popular with big business – fits with their eco-activism.

The smallest faction is the ‘Evergreen Optimists’. These voters regard themselves as positive and open-minded. They believe in the political system and prioritise policies over party victories. This group is likely to vote Green.

Finally, there are the ‘Urban Random’ Greens, a cohort of young Londoners who are notably a little more right-wing than the other groups. They are sceptical of some green principles including net-zero targets and ultra low emission zones. They favour the Lib Dems to the Green party on climate issues. More than half of those in this group who voted Green last time say they won’t at the next election in a sign that the party’s policies have become too radical.

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Polls narrowing

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[Neil]

I'm sat here waiting for a call from DWP for an assessment which should give me around an extra £100 a fortnight if I pass it (and back-dated eight months which should be a nice lump of cash)

just need to tell them the right things. my wife doesn't trust me to do that Cos I try to be confident about doing things for myself and overstate what  I can do.

As this is a working assessment saying I cant walk or carry things ( and that my brain is too fried to be accurate) should do it  I hope.

I hate phone calls since my brain injury so I'm only looking forward to the call to get it over with.i hope They're reliable and do actually call.

[Ozanne]

 

[Neil]

3 hours ago, steviewevie said:

Green curious? Which are you:

These green-curious voters fall into five categories. First, the ‘Radical Red’ Greens, who are Labour-loyal, environmentally conscious activists who tend to be graduates. They rally behind policies such as the introduction of a four-day week and prioritise climate change along with health and housing.

Then there are the ‘Green Populists’, caught between the Green party and Labour. They believe that Labour represents the working class but think the Greens better reflect their interests on immigration, welfare, job security and climate change. They are the most likely of the five groups to support the Green party in the next election.

Next come the ‘Green Moderates’. They dislike Greta-style jeremiads and tend to be more pragmatic. Among this group, support for Labour is rising. The idea of a Green New Deal type of programme – popular with big business – fits with their eco-activism.

The smallest faction is the ‘Evergreen Optimists’. These voters regard themselves as positive and open-minded. They believe in the political system and prioritise policies over party victories. This group is likely to vote Green.

Finally, there are the ‘Urban Random’ Greens, a cohort of young Londoners who are notably a little more right-wing than the other groups. They are sceptical of some green principles including net-zero targets and ultra low emission zones. They favour the Lib Dems to the Green party on climate issues. More than half of those in this group who voted Green last time say they won’t at the next election in a sign that the party’s policies have become too radical.

I heard something the other day that green issues don't alter who people vote for.

That was the main conclusion it did give fuller explanations which made sense to me but I can't remember it.

[SheffJeff]

30 minutes ago, Neil said:

I'm sat here waiting for a call from DWP for an assessment which should give me around an extra £100 a fortnight if I pass it (and back-dated eight months which should be a nice lump of cash)

just need to tell them the right things. my wife doesn't trust me to do that Cos I try to be confident about doing things for myself and overstate what  I can do.

As this is a working assessment saying I cant walk or carry things ( and that my brain is too fried to be accurate) should do it  I hope.

I hate phone calls since my brain injury so I'm only looking forward to the call to get it over with.i hope They're reliable and do actually call.

My uncle is in a similar position to you and has a similar philosophy but we always tell him that you need to tell the doctors and the DWP how you are on a bad day rather than how you are on a good day as that's what decisions are made on. Hope it goes well.

[mattiloy]

Apparently being a left wing europhile means supporting the only surviving policy of note from that brief free market extremist trussonomics era - the repealing of the EU’s 200% of salary bankers bonus cap.

This will raise a miniscule amount of money in additional tax directly but its also not clear that there would be any net gain. The second and third order effects are hard to know.

First off the total tax paid depends on how bonuses are structured and how much the recipients are able to avoid. Other effects to be considered such as whether it attracts better financial services professionals who make a material difference to the success of our financial services industry. My feeling is that no- basically all of the innovation in the sector comes from startups, not from the 60 year old overpaid baldie executives of large financial institutions.

Then on the other side what is the opportunity cost of that cash going to a few individuals - I guess that if they didnt pay out such large bonuses then they’d invest it back into the business or pay out higher dividends- this could have wider beneficial effects.

Then i think people miss the point of the EU cap on bankers bonus- it was never about fairness, since its a cap on bonus related to salary (200%). It just means that the top dogs get paid more salary, and less bonus. Which is about incentivising them to take more holistic decisions instead of satisfying some short sighted narrow criteria at the expense of all else because that is what is perceived to have been the causal factor in the 2008 crisis.

But actually, who cares, luckily for us that Ozanne has studied it extensively and has decided that paying bankers more in bonus will help us pay for all the great progressive Labour party policies, like free gruel for veterans or something 

[Neil]

5 minutes ago, mattiloy said:

Apparently being a left wing europhile means supporting the only surviving policy of note from that brief free market extremist trussonomics era - the repealing of the EU’s 200% of salary bankers bonus cap.

This will raise a miniscule amount of money in additional tax directly but its also not clear that there would be any net gain. The second and third order effects are hard to know.

First off the total tax paid depends on how bonuses are structured and how much the recipients are able to avoid. Other effects to be considered such as whether it attracts better financial services professionals who make a material difference to the success of our financial services industry. My feeling is that no- basically all of the innovation in the sector comes from startups, not from the 60 year old overpaid baldie executives of large financial institutions.

Then on the other side what is the opportunity cost of that cash going to a few individuals - I guess that if they didnt pay out such large bonuses then they’d invest it back into the business or pay out higher dividends- this could have wider beneficial effects.

Then i think people miss the point of the EU cap on bankers bonus- it was never about fairness, since its a cap on bonus related to salary (200%). It just means that the top dogs get paid more salary, and less bonus. Which is about incentivising them to take more holistic decisions instead of satisfying some short sighted narrow criteria at the expense of all else because that is what is perceived to have been the causal factor in the 2008 crisis.

But actually, who cares, luckily for us that Ozanne has studied it extensively and has decided that paying bankers more in bonus will help us pay for all the great progressive Labour party policies, like free gruel for veterans or something 

Bet you support a big bonus for not left wing you!

[Neil]

7 minutes ago, SheffJeff said:

My uncle is in a similar position to you and has a similar philosophy but we always tell him that you need to tell the doctors and the DWP how you are on a bad day rather than how you are on a good day as that's what decisions are made on. Hope it goes well.

Thanks,stupidly DWP phoned my wife to ask if I'm ready for their call. she said yes they didn't phone me.

[Ozanne]

1 minute ago, Neil said:

Bet you support a big bonus for not left wing you!

You’d think he’d be happy with the announced Labour plans to renationalise the railways but funnily enough nothing gets said about that. 

[lazyred]

35 minutes ago, Ozanne said:

You’d think he’d be happy with the announced Labour plans to renationalise the railways but funnily enough nothing gets said about that. 

Almost as if the plans were slipped out to deflect criticism of the bonus cap policy

Edited February 1 by lazyred

[steviewevie]

Bankerw*nkers kept rates unchanged...but now forecasting inflation to be down to 2% in the spring.

[Neil]

33 minutes ago, Ozanne said:

You’d think he’d be happy with the announced Labour plans to renationalise the railways but funnily enough nothing gets said about that. 

No surprise 

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[fraybentos1]

15 minutes ago, Neil said:

No surprise 

You were against renationalisation yesterday?

[lazyred]

Strong commitment to workers rights in Starmers business speech

 

[fraybentos1]

38 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

Bankerw*nkers kept rates unchanged...but now forecasting inflation to be down to 2% in the spring.

Only one member voting to cut and 2 voting to raise and the rest kept it unchanged. They've been wrong with all their predictions so far so would not bank on inflation falling that fast. Would expect rates to be higher for longer than the USA 

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[Neil]

1 hour ago, Neil said:

Thanks,stupidly DWP phoned my wife to ask if I'm ready for their call. she said yes they didn't phone me.

They've just phoned back and quizzed me like the Gestapo. Didn't enjoy that at all.now a month of waiting till they pay me more.

[steviewevie]

playing down the tax cuts now...

 

[Neil]

50 minutes ago, fraybentos1 said:

You were against renationalisation yesterday?

I'm not against it I just realise its not the big win people claim of it and it won't see much improvement cos know nuthins like grayling will be running it .

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3 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

 

Just maybe the tide is finally turning