news & politics:discussion

[Guest]

Red Ed is on board. Woop woop. 

[philipsteak]

46 minutes ago, stuie said:

What about all your past flying holidays? Do they not count?

And I’m not buying the no increase in emissions bit either… why would anyone go and stay on a yacht that’s not going to move at all? 

In a way I don't think they do. Well, they do count towards emissions obviously, but if someone used to do a bad thing, then stopped doing the bad thing, then surely that's a positive? Otherwise no-one would stop doing anything bad. And nothing would change. If you see what I mean. I'm sure we all have stuff we used to do that we've since changed our minds on. Doesn't mean you can't point out that these things might be bad.

TBH I think you're all (Neil included) so determined to argue that you're making points you don't even agree with and tying yourselves in knots.

And for the record, I fly, once or twice a year, nearly always within Europe.

[Crazyfool01]

full on damage limitation mode for them now 

[Neil]

46 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

Not sure about this it's all the medias fault for Labour changing the policy. They came up with it and shouted it from the rooftops...Reeves and her I'll be the green chancellor speech, and now they are changing it because financial/political reason, but this isn't being driven soley by the media. 

its driven by the affordability. labour need to spend on more than green?

[Neil]

34 minutes ago, Crazyfool01 said:

My old man visited at lunchtime .... never going to vote Labour again on this , fortunately we live in a Lib Dem constituency so wont have the need to . final straw for him today , suggest it might be for others too . Lets see if it impacts the polls 

won't he and you be pissed off when your council is broke and you've got no services. without spending £28bn a year on green might be able to fund councils.

[Guest]

6 minutes ago, Neil said:

its driven by the affordability. labour need to spend on more than green?

The Tories trashed the economy, the BoE put up interests from near zero to over 5% so they can’t justify spending that money now every year. Just another reason why raising interest rates has been a terrible move. 

[Neil]

1 hour ago, stuie said:

So you got to go to America but we can’t? Ok got it. I guess I’ll have to go stay on a non moving yacht for some reason then. 

have i told you that yoyu can't, or is it that you've worked out you shouldn't?

me living it up on a billionaire's plaything will create no extra emissions.you encouraging planes to fly will create exta.

Edited February 8, 2024 by Neil

[Crazyfool01]

Just now, Neil said:

won't he and you be pissed off when your council is broke and you've got no services. without spending £28bn a year on green might be able to fund councils.

hell be more pissed off about the future for his grandkids tbh . had the very discussion with him 

[Neil]

Just now, Crazyfool01 said:

hell be more pissed off about the future for his grandkids tbh . had the very discussion with him 

sounds like he needs to go shout at stuie. 😛 

[Neil]

2 minutes ago, Ozanne said:

The Tories trashed the economy, the BoE put up interests from near zero to over 5% so they can’t justify spending that money now every year. Just another reason why raising interest rates has been a terrible move. 

a crashed pound would have also been a terrible move. how did shi lanka do when they trashed their currency?

[Crazyfool01]

Just now, Neil said:

sounds like he needs to go shout at stuie. 😛 

we aren't a shouty family .... 

[Neil]

48 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

Green Party will be pleased with this uturn.

mattiloy, what a soothsayer, he knew this would happen to pump the green vote.

[Neil]

1 minute ago, Crazyfool01 said:

we aren't a shouty family .... 

yeah, very beige.

[Guest]

Just now, Neil said:

a crashed pound would have also been a terrible move. how did shi lanka do when they trashed their currency?

Well yes of course crashing the £ isn’t good but that’s what Truss did

[Neil]

1 minute ago, Ozanne said:

Well yes of course crashing the £ isn’t good but that’s what Truss did

its what labour are avoiding doing.

[stuie]

14 minutes ago, philipsteak said:

In a way I don't think they do. Well, they do count towards emissions obviously, but if someone used to do a bad thing, then stopped doing the bad thing, then surely that's a positive? Otherwise no-one would stop doing anything bad. And nothing would change. If you see what I mean. I'm sure we all have stuff we used to do that we've since changed our minds on. Doesn't mean you can't point out that these things might be bad.

TBH I think you're all (Neil included) so determined to argue that you're making points you don't even agree with and tying yourselves in knots.

And for the record, I fly, once or twice a year, nearly always within Europe.

Flying off on holiday isn’t a bad thing in my book. We all have choices to make to lessen our impact on the planet - if I want to fly instead of having kids and eating meat that’s my choice. Where do you draw the line?

All travel is bad. Should I not visit my family anymore because however I travel that 300 mile round trip I’ll be creating emissions. 

Should we all stop going to festivals or travelling for any reason? 

[fraybentos1]

9 minutes ago, Neil said:

have i told you that yoyu can't, or is it that you've worked out you shouldn't?

me living it up on a billionaire's plaything will create no extra emissions.you encouraging planes to fly will create exta.

I’ll bet you 100 quid to any charity of your choice that you don’t end up spending any of this summer on a mega yacht.

You have a history of making stuff up on here. 
 

will you take the bet ?

[Neil]

Just now, fraybentos1 said:

I’ll bet you 100 quid to any charity of your choice that you don’t end up spending any of this summer on a mega yacht.

You have a history of making stuff up on here. 
 

will you take the bet ?

i posted yesterday that its unlikely i'll get to be on it during the summer, (cos the owners will want it), it'll probably be october before i can go.

[fraybentos1]

1 minute ago, Neil said:

so you're just trolling then!

 

 

 

 

when you stop thinking.

 

ok, so you've spent all day trolling me for saying i'm going to visit my brother, cos that's what a two faced arsehole you are.

You missed out the mega yacht part!

[fraybentos1]

Just now, Neil said:

i posted yesterday that its unlikely i'll get to be on it during the summer, (cos the owners will want it), it'll probably be october before i can go.

Ok then in 2024. Take the bet?

[Skip997]

1 minute ago, stuie said:

Flying off on holiday isn’t a bad thing in my book. We all have choices to make to lessen our impact on the planet - if I want to fly instead of having kids and eating meat that’s my choice. Where do you draw the line?

All travel is bad. Should I not visit my family anymore because however I travel that 300 mile round trip I’ll be creating emissions. 

Should we all stop going to festivals or travelling for any reason? 

The way guilt has been loaded onto the "man and woman the street" is outrageous. Their behaviour is a mere "drop in the ocean" when compared to the behavior of governments, big business, corporations, the super rich etc

We're constantly bombarded with adverts encouraging us to buy completely unnecessary shite under the illusion that it will make us happier. Reality TV serves to make us feel inadequate for not having what the elite few have and adds to our wasteful consumerism.

 

[Guest]

3 minutes ago, Skip997 said:

The way guilt has been loaded onto the "man and woman the street" is outrageous. Their behaviour is a mere "drop in the ocean" when compared to the behavior of governments, big business, corporations, the super rich etc

We're constantly bombarded with adverts encouraging us to buy completely unnecessary shite under the illusion that it will make us happier. Reality TV serves to make us feel inadequate for not having what the elite few have and adds to our wasteful consumerism.

 

You said earlier ‘lifestyle attitude’ and ‘consumerism’ is a problem. 

[Neil]

4 minutes ago, fraybentos1 said:

Ok then in 2024. Take the bet?

wanna photo? this boat.

[Skip997]

1 minute ago, Ozanne said:

You said earlier ‘lifestyle attitude’ and ‘consumerism’ is a problem. 

Of course it is, but can't you see that the fault lies with the big companies, advertising agency's etc

Sadly most can't see how we're being manipulated to make the few rich.

[Neil]

2 minutes ago, Ozanne said:

You said earlier ‘lifestyle attitude’ and ‘consumerism’ is a problem. 

you're making a mistake if you're expecting consistency or integrity from skippy.