news & politics:discussion

[Guest]

8 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

 

More only come here illegally because the Tories have closed down so many legal routes. 

[steviewevie]

14 minutes ago, Ozanne said:

More only come here illegally because the Tories have closed down so many legal routes. 

errr..no.

[steviewevie]

the point is people think a much bigger percentage of migrants are illegal than is actually the case. Most come legally. And then even with illegal migrants a big proportion of them are accepted for asylum, so not actually illegal.

[Guest]

10 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

the point is people think a much bigger percentage of migrants are illegal than is actually the case. Most come legally. And then even with illegal migrants a big proportion of them are accepted for asylum, so not actually illegal.

Yeah true, I was thinking more about the rise in small boats being due to the Tories shutting down legal routes. 

[steviewevie]

 

[steviewevie]

I miss Corbyn vs Johnson.

[Neil]

1 minute ago, steviewevie said:

I miss Corbyn vs Johnson.

That was no contest - a heavyweight Vs a lightweight.

[Guest]

11 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

I miss Corbyn vs Johnson.

I miss the days of that hung Parliament, that was entertaining.

[Guest]

 

[kaosmark2]

3 hours ago, steviewevie said:

the point is people think a much bigger percentage of migrants are illegal than is actually the case. Most come legally. And then even with illegal migrants a big proportion of them are accepted for asylum, so not actually illegal.

Yeah exactly. The perception is so divorced from the facts. It's like those polls where people think 28% of the British population is Muslim.

[kaosmark2]

2 hours ago, Neil said:

That was no contest - a heavyweight Vs a lightweight.

I don't think you can call it that. It was just a competition of bluster. Neither had any substance to them but one had political savvy and opportunism, the other had mass idealism. Both had an utter inability to admit fault or wrongdoing. Neither had a hint of pragmatism.

Edited January 18, 2024 by kaosmark2

[Crazyfool01]

46 minutes ago, Ozanne said:

 

Just never seems to be quite enough to bring him down … maybe council elections will do it ? But that gets very close to general election so completely f**ks them 

[mattiloy]

6 hours ago, fraybentos1 said:

Not with fptp it won’t be 

No. With FPTP, its the uk now.

What kind of mad extreme scary policies would the german right do if they got into government? Leave the EU maybe? Put refugees on a plane to Rwanda?..

[Guest]

8 minutes ago, Crazyfool01 said:

Just never seems to be quite enough to bring him down … maybe council elections will do it ? But that gets very close to general election so completely f**ks them 

They might put enough letters in to trigger a leadership challenge but he'll win it. He'll be their leader at the election I would imagine, as they can't decide on one person to replace him.

[Neil]

32 minutes ago, kaosmark2 said:

I don't think you can call it that. It was just a competition of bluster. Neither had any substance to them but one had political savvy and opportunism, the other had mass idealism. Both had an utter inability to admit fault or wrongdoing. Neither had a hint of pragmatism.

No substance but one had enough support to win,the other empty noise.

[steviewevie]

 

[kaosmark2]

15 minutes ago, Ozanne said:

They might put enough letters in to trigger a leadership challenge but he'll win it. He'll be their leader at the election I would imagine, as they can't decide on one person to replace him.

None of them actually want anyone else in particular to lead into the GE. He's the sacrificial lamb for losing the GE. They're just fighting for who gets control of the party after that.

[Neil]

6 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

 

The Palestinians have also rejected the idea of a Palestinian state.

[Guest]

14 minutes ago, kaosmark2 said:

None of them actually want anyone else in particular to lead into the GE. He's the sacrificial lamb for losing the GE. They're just fighting for who gets control of the party after that.

Yeah that's true.

[mattiloy]

 

8 hours ago, stuie said:

This started because I said I thought property was a better option than a stocks related pension so I don't know where you got the altruistic reasons from - what started as a negative equity accident is now my route to a more wealthy retirement but I'm fully aware of my social responsibility and I'm not a leech. 

Market rental value is now about £300 p/m more than LHA pays in the area so I could re-let the property if I wish to, but I'm happy knowing I'm providing a family with a nice home and building my 'pension' pot at the same time. 

If that makes me a bad person, I don't really care. 

Interested in how much in % the value has gone up if you’d guess?

Even given strong performance of house prices in some parts of the uk in the last 20 years, surely sticking it in global funds would have performed at least as well if not better? (after paying interest on your loan and other associated costs) and without the admin and everybody thinking you’re evil. Plus the fact that you now have all your dough in one illiquid asset at a time when property prices have fallen off a cliff, with the prospect of an incoming Labour party scratching around for ways to boost the coffers without increasing taxes on workers (cc capital gains, dividends, stamp duty). Those index funds not looking so bad now are they Mr Monopoly?

[Guest]

This is a completely normal thing for a country to do.

[Ryan1984]

8 hours ago, Ozanne said:

Yeah that's true.

The fascinating/troubling thing is which way they go once they boot him out… Will they fully embrace the Far Right/bring in Farage/settle for someone ‘safer’ and more moderate like Mourdant (their base were impressed she held a sword for four hours at the Coronation)?

Saw about 10 minutes of Question Time and the Brexiteers were back out in full force in the audience…

[steviewevie]

Anyone see this? Ozanne?!

 

[Paul ™]

40 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

Anyone see this? Ozanne?!

 

Probably can't respond as his arm will be still sore 😉

[lost]

1 hour ago, Ryan1984 said:

The fascinating/troubling thing is which way they go once they boot him out… Will they fully embrace the Far Right/bring in Farage/settle for someone ‘safer’ and more moderate like Mourdant (their base were impressed she held a sword for four hours at the Coronation)?

According to that poll the telegraph ran where reform are going to decimate the Tories. Mourdant was one of those losing her seat.

On the FPTP thing. Farage got nearly 4 million votes in 2015 and 1 seat. Also worth pointing out he sat in the group to the left of the identity grouping of Lega, AfD and National Rally. Looking at places like France and Germany we could move futher to the right than Farage if we change the voting system.