news & politics:discussion

[topmarksbri]

39 minutes ago, Gilgamesh69 said:

The whole idea of a Jewish homeland is bullshit. Just do what other religions do; pretty sure other religions don't have "homelands"

Mecca? 

4 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

 

Almost like the actions of a peoples government don't represent all of the people. Certainly wouldn't like to be held to account for the actions of British government but Israeli's and Jews don't often get granted that privilege. 

[eFestivals]

1 minute ago, Gilgamesh69 said:

"two-state solutION

whatother solution do you think there can be?

 

you were happy to cite the un above but aren't happy with what theyve recommended as a solution.

[eFestivals]

4 minutes ago, topmarksbri said:

Mecca? 

pakistan and bangladesh are muslim homelands for india's muslims just as india is a homeland for india's hindus and other religions.

people dont tend to like those being pointed out as it higthlights their hypocrisy sas they never rant in a similar way about those

Edited May 16, 2021 by eFestivals

[steviewevie]

5 minutes ago, Gilgamesh69 said:

"two-state solution"

 

Cringe.

 

Team One State representttt

So militant and edgy

[topmarksbri]

Just now, steviewevie said:

So militant and edgy

Geopolitics is easy when you can condense your world view into good guys and bad guys

[eFestivals]

1 minute ago, topmarksbri said:

Geopolitics is easy when you can condense your world view into good guys and bad guys

its almost as if som people want to belive isreals plan had always been to cage the paleastinians into a small strip of land when israel would have accepted the palestininans in a large part of that territory

[stuartbert two hats]

6 minutes ago, topmarksbri said:

Mecca? 

 

To headline 2022?

[steviewevie]

One state solution seems to be current Israel/US strategy.

[eFestivals]

6 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

One state solution seems to be current Israel/US strategy.

its as complicated for the usa as it would be for the uk to impose a onetsate solution on the british isles

[eFestivals]

7 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

One state solution seems to be current Israel/US strategy.

could say that was the hamas strategy too... cos the land available fore the palastiians has shrunk away to almost nothing via their strATEGY

[steviewevie]

 

[Gilgamesh69]

1 hour ago, steviewevie said:

So militant and edgy

Not militant or edgy at all.!

 

1 hour ago, topmarksbri said:

Geopolitics is easy when you can condense your world view into good guys and bad guys

And it's easy to just ignore shit and sit on the fence when you lie to yourself and claim "it's a complicated issue, there's no black and white!"

 

1 hour ago, eFestivals said:

could say that was the hamas strategy too... cos the land available fore the palastiians has shrunk away to almost nothing via their strATEGY

Wow, blaming the Palestinians for their loss of land and not Israel. Go fuck yourself c**t

[eFestivals]

15 minutes ago, Gilgamesh69 said:

Not militant or edgy at all.!

 

And it's easy to just ignore shit and sit on the fence when you lie to yourself and claim "it's a complicated issue, there's no black and white!"

 

Wow, blaming the Palestinians for their loss of land and not Israel. Go fuck yourself c**t

I'm simply pointing out that continual conflict has seen the land available to them reduced even from friendly states such as Jordan actions have consequences.their actions their consequences.

Edited May 16, 2021 by eFestivals

[Haan]

1 hour ago, eFestivals said:

whatother solution do you think there can be?

https://onestatecampaign.org/all/en-manifesto/ 

One state, democratic elections.

[eFestivals]

3 minutes ago, Haan said:

https://onestatecampaign.org/all/en-manifesto/ 

One state, democratic elections.

Is that a workable solutionbecausevthe Palestinians are well known for being keen on edemmocracy?

Edited May 16, 2021 by eFestivals

[topmarksbri]

18 minutes ago, Gilgamesh69 said:

And it's easy to just ignore shit and sit on the fence when you lie to yourself and claim "it's a complicated issue, there's no black and white!"

Wasn't aware I was ignoring or sitting on the fence on anything, barely contributed to this discussion but continue to build up a straw man fella. Actions of Israeli government/settlers are deplorable and a peaceful two state solution is the only workable solution.

In your one state solution which presumably involves Israel ceasing to exist what happens to the jewish population under Hamas/PA? 

[Haan]

Just now, eFestivals said:

Is that a workable solution?

Depends on many things, right now left wing (and even centrist!) parties in Israel are in disarray, Netanyahu seems hellbent on using the "conflict" for his own political gain and the other parties who he is trying to form a coalition with don't seem to care much for peace talks either. Hamas' control of Gaza is also a huge hurdle. 

This video from 2019 is very informative on the whole issue, I highly recommend it 

 

[Haan]

Another good resource/group is the Israeli committee against house demolition: https://icahd.org/ 

[mcshed]

1 hour ago, eFestivals said:

pakistan and bangladesh are muslim homelands for india's muslims just as india is a homeland for india's hindus and other religions.

Yes everyone thinks partition was a wonderful thing and when India/Pakistan tensions are high everyone thinks well done Britain for a fantastic solution. 

The fact that much 20th Century border drawing was pretty shitty doesn't mean that generations later you can undo them and Gilgamesh is clearly out to provoke a reaction but I think it's fair to say that creation of Israel has been a mess.

[topmarksbri]

9 minutes ago, mcshed said:

The fact that much 20th Century border drawing was pretty shitty doesn't mean that generations later you can undo them and Gilgamesh is clearly out to provoke a reaction but I think it's fair to say that creation of Israel has been a mess.

I mean Palestine was part of the Ottoman empire until the end of WWI, trying to attach quite western notions of nation states to areas which have incredibly disparate and complicated communities was the real disaster and Israel/Palestine is the perfect example of that. 

[eFestivals]

9 minutes ago, mcshed said:

Yes everyone thinks partition was a wonderful thing and when India/Pakistan tensions are high everyone thinks well done Britain for a fantastic solution. 

The fact that much 20th Century border drawing was pretty shitty doesn't mean that generations later you can undo them and Gilgamesh is clearly out to provoke a reaction but I think it's fair to say that creation of Israel has been a mess.

It wasn't so much the British solution but the solution of some Indian politicians where those people ended up in powerful positions. I was simply pointing out that there's a lot of similarities to Israel of a religious state on Simone else's land.

 

But like Israel it's not a situation which can be undone as that simply puts other problems back in place

[eFestivals]

1 minute ago, topmarksbri said:

I mean Palestine was part of the Ottoman empire until the end of WWI, trying to attach quite western notions of nation states to areas which have incredibly disparate and complicated communities was the real disaster and Israel/Palestine is the perfect example of that. 

The situation as is it is a long way from those western notions.ifvitcwas possible to time travel back to 1947.id guess there's be greater Palestinian acceoptebce if those western notions as they were better than how things have turned out in the meantime.

[eFestivals]

18 minutes ago, Haan said:

Another good resource/group is the Israeli committee against house demolition: https://icahd.org/ 

It would help a lot if Israel accepted non Jewish title to land or property.

[Haan]

Just now, eFestivals said:

It would help a lot if Israel accepted non Jewish title to land or property.

Yup

[steviewevie]

Just got a zoom call with the family and my brother is definitely in the Israel must be destroyed camp.