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[Crazyfool01]

7 hours ago, steviewevie said:

More kill the bill protests today. Will be watching highlights later.

This kill the Bill protest is more like a massive outdoor nightclub  🙂 

[efcfanwirral]

22 minutes ago, crazyfool1 said:

This kill the Bill protest is more like a massive outdoor nightclub  🙂 

Sounds amazing. Is that the London one or is there another somewhere else?

These always have good videos from protests recently- usually just reporting things as they see them with video footage so a good way to follow whats happening. All being added to that thread as the day goes on

Edited April 3, 2021 by efcfanwirral

[Crazyfool01]

Now kicking off over big macs 

[Crazyfool01]

Just now, efcfanwirral said:

Sounds amazing. Is that the London one or is there another somewhere else?

These always have good videos from protests recently- usually just reporting things as they see them with video footage so a good way to follow whats happening 

Just posted ... I watch this one .... Maccy Ds fight now https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Obh8fs3nKSs

[steviewevie]

This Greensill should be a bigger story than it is...(as is the Johnson Acuri thing)...but I guess it is accepted that it's all fucking corrupt but pubs are open soon so who cares...

 

[eFestivals]

3 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

This Greensill should be a bigger story than it is...(as is the Johnson Acuri thing)...but I guess it is accepted that it's all fucking corrupt but pubs are open soon so who cares...

 

Greens hill was covering a hole that bad government created.

[steviewevie]

 

[mattiloy]

2 hours ago, Barry Fish said:

So you support travelers just doing a as they please.

Labour and its supporters are just a joke these days. Ite no wonder they can't get into power 

Antisocial behaviour isn’t cool. I’m sure some travelling folk have done some of that down the years, i’m sure some non travelling folk have done some of that down the years.

Antisocial behaviour is the problem, not a whole community of people.

 

A weekend a year we all go and camp on someone else’s property. Every festival there is what folks would consider antisocial behaviour - boozing, drugs, certainly leaving your junk behind. Are all glastonbury attendees antisocial?

I honestly think policy around antisocial behaviour can learn a lot from Glastonbury. 

’Love the farm, leave no trace’ - a feeling like you are not only a consumer, but a stakeholder, feeling ownership too, so you have that respect and that will to behave more prosocially.

If a traveller or anybody else behaves antisocially, as though they dont respect the community, or public property, then what is the difference, why don’t they feel as though they are stakeholders? I’d guess that being constantly marginalised and discriminated against probably doesn’t help 

[eFestivals]

13 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

 

Just think how much Labour would have been set back by another year of jez.particulsrly with his nutty brother in the news .

Edited April 3, 2021 by eFestivals

[steviewevie]

[steviewevie]

Sack Starmer.

Worth reading whole thread.

 

[mcshed]

12 minutes ago, Barry Fish said:

If that is true - I am gobsmacked if it is - then Labour have serious issues beyond what I thought they had.

That is a hell of a lot of voters who went over to Brexit Party and then over to the Tories.  That is some achievement.  Add in a pandemic and 150,000 brits dead.

Not sure you can lay it all at Starmers door either.  The whole party is a none event.  I can only name one shadow minister.

The poll only spoke to 500 people and it was done by phone so is likely to swing towards older people, I'd like to see how they were weighting the responses. The margin of error on a poll that small is huge and it was commissioned by the CWU who are very anti-Starmer. 

So there's a huge pile of coveats to be added on but if it's remotely near true then Labour have huge problems. I really don't know what the correct response to a terrible Starmer performance in May is? If Starmer continues on having established himself as a loser things might get worse but a leadership contest reinforces the idea that all Labour want to do is argue amongst ourselves and there isn't an obvious improvement in terms of leader waiting in the wings. The best thing would probably be for Starmer to accept he was done but to stay in post whilst allowing some other names to establish themselves a bit more prominently before the upcoming leadership contest further down the line like Michael Howard did for Cameron.

Hopefully it is just rubbish polling, constituency polling is hard.

[steviewevie]

2 minutes ago, mcshed said:

The poll only spoke to 500 people and it was done by phone so is likely to swing towards older people, I'd like to see how they were weighting the responses. The margin of error on a poll that small is huge and it was commissioned by the CWU who are very anti-Starmer. 

So there's a huge pile of coveats to be added on but if it's remotely near true then Labour have huge problems. I really don't know what the correct response to a terrible Starmer performance in May is? If Starmer continues on having established himself as a loser things might get worse but a leadership contest reinforces the idea that all Labour want to do is argue amongst ourselves and there isn't an obvious improvement in terms of leader waiting in the wings. The best thing would probably be for Starmer to accept he was done but to stay in post whilst allowing some other names to establish themselves a bit more prominently before the upcoming leadership contest further down the line like Michael Howard did for Cameron.

Hopefully it is just rubbish polling, constituency polling is hard.

more union jacks should do it.

Actually, nobody knows what labour is for....so...Starmer needs to set this out...he also really needs to be able to get out there and meet people, make speechs to actual audiences etc. A lot of people probably still don't know who he is...whereas everyone knows boris.

[mcshed]

7 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

more union jacks should do it.

Actually, nobody knows what labour is for....so...Starmer needs to set this out...he also really needs to be able to get out there and meet people, make speechs to actual audiences etc. A lot of people probably still don't know who he is...whereas everyone knows boris.

Well 7% of the Hartlepool 500 hadn't heard of him. I've said before that he's in a tough position because of the pandemic but if Labour do badly in May the first impression many may get of him is he's that new Labour leader who is doing even worse than Corbyn, that could be disastrous in the long run. 

I agree that he should be trying to but forward his vision for the country a bit more but whenever he does do a speech along those lines it tends to get mostly ignored. (It also tends to be very light on any concrete policy.)

[steviewevie]

2 minutes ago, mcshed said:

Well 7% of the Hartlepool 500 hadn't heard of him. I've said before that he's in a tough position because of the pandemic but if Labour do badly in May the first impression many may get of him is he's that new Labour leader who is doing even worse than Corbyn, that could be disastrous in the long run. 

I agree that he should be trying to but forward his vision for the country a bit more but whenever he does do a speech along those lines it tends to get mostly ignored. (It also tends to be very light on any concrete policy.)

yeah...I guess if labour loses Hartlepool and does badly elsewhere the calls for Starmer to go will get louder and louder.

I think labour are fucked.

[eFestivals]

1 hour ago, Barry Fish said:

That is a hell of a lot of voters who went over to Brexit Party and then over to the Tories.  That is some achievement.  Add in a pandemic and 150,000 brits dead.

They were always going to be closer to the tories than labour after going kipper and the tories delivered their brexit while labour tried to reach their votes. And who knows how labour would have done with covid. And there would have been no perfect from anyone so deads are forgivablewwithin the idea of no perfect

 

1 hour ago, Barry Fish said:

Not sure you can lay it all at Starmers door either.  The whole party is a none event.  I can only name one shadow minister.

The shadow cabinet have been good at being anonymous.

[Mr.Tease]

1 hour ago, steviewevie said:

Sack Starmer.

Worth reading whole thread.

 

I still think the way forward was to do what the Dems did in the US- keep some of the radical (and popular) policies, but have a centrist figure like Starmer present them and do the usual flag waving nonsense that plays well. Instead went for 'destroy the left', bin all policies, have nothing to say. Until the left and centrists make peace, labour are screwed (probably screwed even if they do).

 

[mattiloy]

14 minutes ago, eFestivals said:

 

 

The shadow cabinet have been good at being anonymous.

 

From what I’ve read, many in the shadow cabinet have been muzzled with Starmer’s team trying to micromanage messaging.
 

But the blame doesn’t rest solely on Starmers shoulders but with the whole stinking labour to win/progress/new labour faction who staged the at first sneaky (starmers election), then suddenly very unsneaky and aggressive seizure of party and policy and are now reaping the consequences. New labour’s corporate politics was intensely unpopular in the end.

Between the trajectory of the polling and the abysmal state of finances (thanks to unnecessary settling of lawsuits and mass exodus of membership). Labour is on the fast track to oblivion. I’ll make a prediction that if Starmer is still in charge at the next election and stays on this course policy wise, they will be lucky to get in the mid 20 %s nationally.

[mattiloy]

2 minutes ago, Barry Fish said:

Thank god Jez never did that hey 😛  oh wait... 😛 

Broken record

You there, just wandering round the streets muttering, bitterly: something something ’bloody Corbyn!’ something

[Haan]

Starmer is against Covid passports https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/apr/06/keir-starmer-likely-to-oppose-covid-status-certificates-if-put-to-vote

[steviewevie]

5 minutes ago, Haan said:

Starmer is against Covid passports https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/apr/06/keir-starmer-likely-to-oppose-covid-status-certificates-if-put-to-vote

Don't tell the shit thread...but I agree with this too....but may well be unpopular with public if framed as it's either covid certicates or continued social distancing.

[steviewevie]

42 minutes ago, mattiloy said:

 

From what I’ve read, many in the shadow cabinet have been muzzled with Starmer’s team trying to micromanage messaging.
 

But the blame doesn’t rest solely on Starmers shoulders but with the whole stinking labour to win/progress/new labour faction who staged the at first sneaky (starmers election), then suddenly very unsneaky and aggressive seizure of party and policy and are now reaping the consequences. New labour’s corporate politics was intensely unpopular in the end.

Between the trajectory of the polling and the abysmal state of finances (thanks to unnecessary settling of lawsuits and mass exodus of membership). Labour is on the fast track to oblivion. I’ll make a prediction that if Starmer is still in charge at the next election and stays on this course policy wise, they will be lucky to get in the mid 20 %s nationally.

.Starmer hasn't made hardly any announcements on policies...he may actually end up somewhere between Corbyn and Milliband economically...but with loads of socially conservative stuff thrown in there...to try and win over voters like those in Hartlepool, but so far he's failing if that poll is right.

[fraybentos1]

 

[steviewevie]

25 minutes ago, fraybentos1 said:

 

vaccines

[steviewevie]