news & politics:discussion

[strummer77]

1 hour ago, Barry Fish said:

When Whitty made his 25,000 deaths comment the other day (I am presuming he thinks this is where it will land). 

I don’t think he was saying it would be that high. Just that flu has recently been that high without anyone batting an eyelid. 

[efcfanwirral]

55 minutes ago, strummer77 said:

I don’t think he was saying it would be that high. Just that flu has recently been that high without anyone batting an eyelid. 

And my point is we can fix that with mandating flu vaccines for the whole population plus restricting mass gatherings and maybe even implementing social distancing over winter (and masks obviously but they can be permanent without any negative issues) That would make the case vaccine passports more clear to me 

Edited April 2, 2021 by efcfanwirral

[eFestivals]

13 hours ago, efcfanwirral said:

At least I'm letting myself be dragged along by this evolution and accept it as inevitable! 

There's no more evolution if humanity is killed off by covid which you want to help by not doing what can be donesoto llimit its spread.

Edited April 3, 2021 by eFestivals

[eFestivals]

10 hours ago, efcfanwirral said:

I fully expect to see mass gatherings restricted in winter  and flu vaccines made mandatory on the vaccine passport because we can stop another 25k deaths that way too. That would prove its just about preventing deaths and illness.

Why would the UK suddenly make flu jabs been manditory see your bullshtting infection is spreading.

Edited April 3, 2021 by eFestivals

[eFestivals]

10 hours ago, Barry Fish said:

When Whitty made his 25,000 deaths comment the other day (I am presuming he thinks this is where it will land).  I wonder if that was with the presumption we have controls such as vaccine passports or not.

I think that is a key point.  I would like to hear from Whitty on how he feels having the passports will effect the end death toll.  

Deaths would be far higher without vaccine passports because covid would be spreading indoors without measures to restrict its spread.

[eFestivals]

8 hours ago, strummer77 said:

I don’t think he was saying it would be that high. Just that flu has recently been that high without anyone batting an eyelid. 

 

 

The leaflet is going to be withdrawn

(I guess travellers are a problem in that area) httpsps://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/apr/02/labour-destroy-local-election-leaflet-anti-travellers-pledge?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other

[steviewevie]

1 hour ago, eFestivals said:

 

 

The leaflet is going to be withdrawn

(I guess travellers are a problem in that area) httpsps://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/apr/02/labour-destroy-local-election-leaflet-anti-travellers-pledge?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other

it's outright discrimination. If it had been against any other community she would be gone already.

[eFestivals]

6 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

it's outright discrimination. If it had been against any other community she would be gone already.

Itsprobablyincludedhecauseitsa local issue the mention of fly tipping is suggestive of that.people want their local issues addressed.

[eFestivals]

2 minutes ago, eFestivals said:

Itsprobablyincludedhecauseitsa local issue the mention of fly tipping is suggestive of that.people want their local issues addressed.

If theysaid we will spend local money to provide more facilities for travellers there would be complaints of a different kind.

Edited April 3, 2021 by eFestivals

[steviewevie]

4 minutes ago, eFestivals said:

If theysaid we will spend local money to provide more facilities for travellers there would be complaints of a different kind.

or just don't have anything about travellers on your leaflet.

[steviewevie]

More kill the bill protests today. Will be watching highlights later.

[eFestivals]

2 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

or just don't have anything about travellers on your leaflet.

If it's a significant local issue and the leaflet doesn't touch on local issues people will vote for the party saying they'll address local issues.

Edited April 3, 2021 by eFestivals

[steviewevie]

2 minutes ago, eFestivals said:

If it's a significant local issue and the leaflet doesn't touch on local issues people will vote for the party saying they'll address local issues.

ok...well so be it. It just further incites racial hatred.

Just looked up this Charlotte Nichols as never heard of her...she's from the left of the party and supported Long Bailey for leadership...but is being attacked on social media and called centrist which she isn't...but she is jewish...

[eFestivals]

1 minute ago, steviewevie said:

ok...well so be it. It just further incites racial hatred.

As would committing to spend local resources on the issue.

[steviewevie]

19 minutes ago, eFestivals said:

As would committing to spend local resources on the issue.

like I say, don't mention travellers on the leaflet.

Is it better to do the right thing, or just incite further local fears and prejudices. Is this labour, or the BNP?

[steviewevie]

I mean, she has apologised straight away, so maybe she doesn't have to resign....but labour need to do more about this.

[steviewevie]

marina Hyde on the race report

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/apr/02/culture-war-government-race-report

 

also...

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/apr/02/sewell-race-report-historical-young-people-britain

[eFestivals]

42 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

marina Hyde on the race report

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/apr/02/culture-war-government-race-report

 

also...

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/apr/02/sewell-race-report-historical-young-people-britain

Sseems cleR that the conckusion wad decided before the report was written. 

[SheffJeff]

2 hours ago, eFestivals said:

 

 

The leaflet is going to be withdrawn

(I guess travellers are a problem in that area) httpsps://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/apr/02/labour-destroy-local-election-leaflet-anti-travellers-pledge?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other

Would you be as forgiving if this was on a Corbyn flyer? 

[eFestivals]

1 minute ago, SheffJeff said:

Would you be as forgiving if this was on a Corbyn flyer? 

Cobyn regularly showed he doesn't get this sort of stuff liking anti _semetic murals.

[eFestivals]

2 minutes ago, SheffJeff said:

Would you be as forgiving if this was on a Corbyn flyer? 

Not being forgiving was trying to give it some context I'm sure it's on a flyer for the locals cos it's a local issue.rather than a random opportunity to have a pop.

[eFestivals]

1 hour ago, eFestivals said:

Cobyn regularly showed he doesn't get this sort of stuff liking anti _semetic murals.

Not unxerstanding why he was suspended. 

[SwedgeAntilles]

So Starmer spent yesterday at the same Christian church May visited four years ago, that homophobic one that supports conversion therapy. Oh dear. 

[mattiloy]

2 hours ago, SwedgeAntilles said:

So Starmer spent yesterday at the same Christian church May visited four years ago, that homophobic one that supports conversion therapy. Oh dear. 

Faux pas after faux pas, real the thick of it stuff. Is this what competence looks like?

[SwedgeAntilles]

2 hours ago, mattiloy said:

Faux pas after faux pas, real the thick of it stuff. Is this what competence looks like?

Filibuster and other such lawyerings.