charlierc Posted December 31, 2019 Report Share Posted December 31, 2019 3 hours ago, eFestivals said: so what they're saying is that the accuracy available with VAR shouldn't be bothered with, and that football is happy with inaccurate decisions by the ref. So what's the point with VAR, again? PS: the Prem has already said that they won't change how they're operating VAR this season, else there'll be inconsistencies created by the use of VAR (which would probably much bigger than not having VAR in the first place, seeing as 21 goals have been deemed wrong by the ref and corrected by VAR so far this season). Its a very strange procedure - we moaned about offsides before VAR, now we moan about them in a very different sense all because of one marginal change. At the end of the day, I think the boundary is in definition - it used to be the case that the dominant thread was for there to be benefit of the doubt to attacking players in marginal calls and it very much looks that VAR is being used in such a way that its very much a defensive benefit. Certainly, I do agree that a mid-season pivot would be problematic and lead to further questions about how its used. So they're kinda stuffed with this flawed interpretation of how to use it until next season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThomThomDrum Posted December 31, 2019 Report Share Posted December 31, 2019 🤔😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gnomicide Posted December 31, 2019 Report Share Posted December 31, 2019 Tottenham HotsVAR. Am I right???!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlierc Posted January 1, 2020 Report Share Posted January 1, 2020 I suppose its different to some degree - when they brought VAR to the last men's World Cup, the main thing was the fact VAR gave an absurd amount of penalties. Whereas its not really been used as much for that since its arrival in the PL. Meanwhile, I know VAR has been introduced to a couple of other European leagues and I think its also in the MLS. Has anywhere else had such an awkward introduction? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wooderson Posted January 1, 2020 Report Share Posted January 1, 2020 Happy New Var. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wooderson Posted January 1, 2020 Report Share Posted January 1, 2020 (edited) I give Maureen a year at Spurs. Maybe less. Edited January 1, 2020 by Wooderson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eFestivals Posted January 2, 2020 Report Share Posted January 2, 2020 (edited) 20 hours ago, charlierc said: Has anywhere else had such an awkward introduction? I'm pretty sure everywhere is saying "we're doing it wrong, we should be doing it like they are in <pick random country>". Anyway, turns out football fans don't think wrong decisions are ruining the game after all. Who knew? Edited January 2, 2020 by eFestivals Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pink_triangle Posted January 2, 2020 Report Share Posted January 2, 2020 I have heard some people state that before VAR the linesman would occasionally get marginal decisions wrong, therefore nothing has really changed. To me the big difference is when the linesman got it wrong, the decision is at least made straight away, either the flag is up, or it stays down. A big part of scoring a goal was the emotion and the celebration, in a VAR world this has been sucked out, as muted celebrations while the players wait for confirmation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Nal Posted January 2, 2020 Report Share Posted January 2, 2020 After losing 2 nil to a team in the bottom half who have won 1 out of 15. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wooderson Posted January 2, 2020 Report Share Posted January 2, 2020 1 hour ago, The Nal said: After losing 2 nil to a team in the bottom half who have won 1 out of 15. It was a quality game Nal, cmon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Nal Posted January 2, 2020 Report Share Posted January 2, 2020 1 hour ago, Wooderson said: It was a quality game Nal, cmon. Only saw bits of it. This though. Ole Gunnar Solskajer Win % at Cardiff: 30% Ole Gunnar Solskjaer Win % FT at United: 29.5% Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wooderson Posted January 2, 2020 Report Share Posted January 2, 2020 3 hours ago, The Nal said: Only saw bits of it. This though. Ole Gunnar Solskajer Win % at Cardiff: 30% Ole Gunnar Solskjaer Win % FT at United: 29.5% Im quoting Lolly in his postmatch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlierc Posted January 2, 2020 Report Share Posted January 2, 2020 14 hours ago, eFestivals said: I'm pretty sure everywhere is saying "we're doing it wrong, we should be doing it like they are in <pick random country>". Anyway, turns out football fans don't think wrong decisions are ruining the game after all. Who knew? Its funny that towards the end of last season, a lot of people were going "Refs suck, bring on VAR" and now many of the same people seem to be going "We fucked up go back". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kaosmark2 Posted January 2, 2020 Report Share Posted January 2, 2020 3 minutes ago, charlierc said: Its funny that towards the end of last season, a lot of people were going "Refs suck, bring on VAR" and now many of the same people seem to be going "We fucked up go back". About half of the people on here were very sceptical before. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlierc Posted January 2, 2020 Report Share Posted January 2, 2020 2 minutes ago, kaosmark2 said: About half of the people on here were very sceptical before. I'm not saying there wasn't dissent towards VAR before - I wasn't really posting in the football threads beforehand here but I believe I saw a fair wedge of dissatisfaction when it was declared the PL was bringing it in. But even so, I think it was broadly seen as something that would work, even accounting for a penalty-happy VAR at the last World Cup. There's gonna be teething problems but its something how big a backlash its getting, and how bizarrely inconsistent its application has so far been. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jyoung Posted January 2, 2020 Report Share Posted January 2, 2020 I'll admit I was all for it and in theory still am but there are elements to it which are really draining the life out of football. I can't think of a solution to be honest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gnomicide Posted January 2, 2020 Report Share Posted January 2, 2020 39 points to go! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eFestivals Posted January 3, 2020 Report Share Posted January 3, 2020 8 hours ago, kaosmark2 said: About half of the people on here were very sceptical before. and plenty of the people here now hating it were all in favour. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eFestivals Posted January 3, 2020 Report Share Posted January 3, 2020 (edited) 8 hours ago, charlierc said: I'm not saying there wasn't dissent towards VAR before - I wasn't really posting in the football threads beforehand here but I believe I saw a fair wedge of dissatisfaction when it was declared the PL was bringing it in. But even so, I think it was broadly seen as something that would work, even accounting for a penalty-happy VAR at the last World Cup. There's gonna be teething problems but its something how big a backlash its getting, and how bizarrely inconsistent its application has so far been. it's not been inconsistent. All the marginal offsides get the same treatment, all handballs get the same treatment, etc, etc. As far as consistency goes they've been doing a really good job. Half the problem is people making up their own VAR rules, but that's fan stupidity and not VAR. PS: was always against VAR, and still am. Edited January 3, 2020 by eFestivals Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pink_triangle Posted January 3, 2020 Report Share Posted January 3, 2020 Listening to all the solutions about these marginal offsides, I wonder if the best idea is to just get rid of the lines. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Nal Posted January 3, 2020 Report Share Posted January 3, 2020 (edited) I think most people would be in favour of the odd wrong decision if it means we can keep the goal. VAR is ruining the purest thing in all of sports which is a goal. Its what you see kids celebrating for on the street when they score in between the jumpers and what you see old men jumping out of their seats to celebrate. Even the most obvious looking goals now can be reviewed and chalked off so players look like complete tits celebrating them. This poor fucker. 19 years old, bangs in his first goal, Kop end against the best team about and then its cancelled. 18 hours ago, Wooderson said: Im quoting Lolly in his postmatch. Ah missed that. Is that what he said?! lol Edited January 3, 2020 by The Nal 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pink_triangle Posted January 3, 2020 Report Share Posted January 3, 2020 1 minute ago, The Nal said: This poor fucker. 19 years old, bangs in his first goal, Kop end against the best team about and then its cancelled. The same goal could (although probably would)have been disallowed by a linesman, but at least you know straight away. It's the time lapse that sucks the emotion out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wooderson Posted January 3, 2020 Report Share Posted January 3, 2020 That silly tarts celebration was a larf. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wooderson Posted January 3, 2020 Report Share Posted January 3, 2020 Klopp out btw. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eFestivals Posted January 3, 2020 Report Share Posted January 3, 2020 12 minutes ago, The Nal said: I think most people would be in favour of the odd wrong decision if it means we can keep the goal. so what you mean is you're OK with dodgy goals in your favour, but not dodgy goals against you? 12 minutes ago, The Nal said: This poor fucker. 19 years old, bangs in his first goal, Kop end against the best team about and then its cancelled. and yet it was offside by the consistent way they've worked offside thru VAR this season. There's always a line for offside, and either you're offside or you're not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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