Football 19/20

[pink_triangle]

10 minutes ago, The Nal said:

Ahead of Messi? 

I think either would be worthy, don't see how you can compare players in different positions.

[Wooderson]

Loads of players, managers and journos put VVD (and others) ahead of Messi. If VVD won it wouldnt be a travesty by any means. Its a fairly transparent vote.

[The Nal]

38 minutes ago, pink_triangle said:

I think either would be worthy, don't see how you can compare players in different positions.

True and I've always thought defenders should win more of these things but VVD being better, more effective, more valuable etc than Messi is ridiculous. 

[TheGayTent]

2 hours ago, Hugh Jass said:

Are trophies the only metric?

No. 

2 hours ago, Hugh Jass said:

 If you consider where Spurs were when Poch took over

6th.

A long way behind the top 2 of City and Liverpool. (15 and 17 points after 38 games)

2 hours ago, Hugh Jass said:

to where they are now they have improved considerably.

7th. 

A long way behind the top 2 of Liverpool and City. (5 and 10 points after 6 games.)

[Hugh Jass]

7 minutes ago, TheGayTent said:

No. 

6th.

A long way behind the top 2 of City and Liverpool. (15 and 17 points after 38 games)

7th. 

A long way behind the top 2 of Liverpool and City. (5 and 10 points after 6 games.)

I don’t regard league position after 6 matches as an accurate reflection, let’s see where they are towards the back end of the season.

[TheGayTent]

3 minutes ago, Hugh Jass said:

I don’t regard league position after 6 matches as an accurate reflection,

For sure. 

3 minutes ago, Hugh Jass said:

let’s see where they are towards the back end of the season.

You think they’ll be closer to the top 2 at the end of the season than they were at the end of the 2014/15 season? 

Or just that they’ll finish higher than 7th? 

[The Nal]

Spurs only finished 5 points ahead of Utd last season. Utd dropped 5 points to Huddersfield and Cardiff in the last 2 games. If Utd weren't a complete shambles they would've nipped them for 4th. Same for Arsenal.

They won 6 games from 13 in the Champions League all season, drew 2 and lost 5. Got dumped out of the FA Cup in the 2nd round etc. 

Hes spent a right few quid too. They can be great on their day mind you.

[Hugh Jass]

14 minutes ago, TheGayTent said:

For sure. 

You think they’ll be closer to the top 2 at the end of the season than they were at the end of the 2014/15 season? 

Or just that they’ll finish higher than 7th? 

I think they’ll finish in the top four but a long way behind Liverpool and City.

[thetime]

1 hour ago, Hugh Jass said:

I think they’ll finish in the top four but a long way behind Liverpool and City.

You would imagine at least 25 points, possibly the lowest points for 3rd and 4th for a while.

[TheGayTent]

@Hugh Jass just watched Diangana’s assist for your 3rd against Huddersfield - not bad. 

[DareToDibble]

Spurs doing Spursy things.

[jyoung]

1 hour ago, DareToDibble said:

Spurs doing Spursy things.

Love to see it.

[jyoung]

Four wins in seventeen for Spurs isn't great. Obviously over the years Poch has done a good job but it does seem to be going slightly awry lately.

They've missed Trippier this year and I think they got rid of him too eagerly. Sure he had a duff season last term but who's putting crosses into Kane now? I imagine they will lose Eriksen on a free before too long. Vertonghen and Aldereweireld's contracts both expire in the summer as well. They're constantly trying to shove Danny Rose out of the door.

If I were a fan I'd feel like their best chances were maybe behind them now. Said it at the start of the season but I don't see them being 'the best of the rest' this year.

[DareToDibble]

Spurs are a weird one as they have great players and a great manager but eventually that has to translate into success. It feels like the loss in the final last year has knocked their confidence a bit. I’m genuinely thinking they’ll be outside the top 4. (Arsenal and Chelsea ahead of them)

Edited September 25, 2019 by DareToDibble

[Hugh Jass]

14 hours ago, TheGayTent said:

@Hugh Jass just watched Diangana’s assist for your 3rd against Huddersfield - not bad. 

Not bad at all, the boy's a game changer.

I'm glad to see West Ham doing well as hopefully it'll mean less clamour to bring him back in January.

[TheGayTent]

1 hour ago, Hugh Jass said:

Not bad at all, the boy's a game changer.

I'm glad to see West Ham doing well as hopefully it'll mean less clamour to bring him back in January.

Did we agree a recall clause? I can’t remember. 

Antonio being a long term absentee makes it more likely I guess, however there’s still more than enough cover currently. Would take 2 or 3 more out long term for Pellegrini to want to do that. Pretty sure he’d rather see Grady get more game time. 

Glad Slav and Julian have started the season ok. 

[pink_triangle]

2 hours ago, DareToDibble said:

Spurs are a weird one as they have great players and a great manager but eventually that has to translate into success. It feels like the loss in the final last year has knocked their confidence a bit. I’m genuinely thinking they’ll be outside the top 4. (Arsenal and Chelsea ahead of them)

Do Spurs have great players? Im not convinced. I think they generally finish where they should, for the players that they have.

Edited September 25, 2019 by pink_triangle

[eastynh]

Come on Rochdale ?

[The Nal]

4 minutes ago, eastynh said:

Come on Rochdale ?

Wouldn't surprise me. Dour 0-0 with 5 to go and they knock one in from a set piece. 

Although Ole coaches at a Rochdale level so maybe he'll know how to beat them.

[eastynh]

1 minute ago, The Nal said:

Wouldn't surprise me. Dour 0-0 with 5 to go and they knock one in from a set piece. 

Although Ole coaches at a Rochdale level so maybe he'll know how to beat them.

A scrappy 88th minute winner for United would be the best case scenario for everyone. It would keep him in the job for a while longer but not really make anyone happy.

[DareToDibble]

2 hours ago, pink_triangle said:

Do Spurs have great players? Im not convinced. I think they generally finish where they should, for the players that they have.

They certainly have 3 or 4 players that would comfortably get into most teams in the league - Eriksen, Son, Kane and you could probably make a case for Vertonghen/Alderweireld.

 

[pink_triangle]

6 minutes ago, DareToDibble said:

They certainly have 3 or 4 players that would comfortably get into most teams in the league - Eriksen, Son, Kane and you could probably make a case for Vertonghen/Alderweireld.

 

They probably have the 4th/5th squad in the league and will finish about 4th or 5th.  I think great may be stretching it for some of those players.

[jyoung]

 

[eastynh]

7 hours ago, jyoung said:

 

They won't sack him, it's not the United way.

[The Nal]

3 hours ago, eastynh said:

They won't sack him, it's not the United way.

Getting to the point now that no one will want the job anyway.