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4 minutes ago, Matt42 said:

Also there’s a difference between KSI and someone signed to major label.

So you just mean an artist that uploads their music videos to YouTube, like literally every artist on the planet right now?

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5 minutes ago, Matt42 said:

Technically it was an EP :P 

also define flop. Savage is doing pretty well right now.

Ok, that's fair

She was anticipated to be the next big thing and have an Invasion of Privacy level blow-up, and then that release appears to have only scraped into the top 10 in the US. I don't really think it's as simple as 'was only an EP, jury's still out!' here, I think she just may not end up as popular as people thought she would. Like, do you remember Desiigner?

If you're putting TikTok popularity into this then you have to remember those things die out as quickly as they blow up so there are gonna be a hundred songs that blow up on there between now and the 2021 festival. Lessons should be learned from Macklemore & Ryan Lewis in 2014.

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1 minute ago, dentalplan said:

Lessons should be learned from Macklemore & Ryan Lewis in 2014.

Yep, this is what I'm thinking. They haven't seemed to repeat bookings acts that have blown up so quickly in such big slots since, they've given them more modest slots a la Post and Billie (both of whom will maintain their level of fame far better than Macklemore did, mind).

Even Lewis Capaldi is meant to play third down this year.

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7 minutes ago, SomeoneListeningIn said:

Which bands?

I could see Megan Thee Stallion getting a slot like 5th main stage next year, if she releases a successful album. If we're drawing parallels with Migos, that's the slot they got in 2017 at a similar stage in their career to Megan now. Also remember that both Post Malone and Billie Eilish played 5th main stage in the last couple of years even though they were both way bigger than Megan Thee Stallion will be by next year.

 

6 minutes ago, SomeoneListeningIn said:

So you just mean an artist that uploads their music videos to YouTube, like literally every artist on the planet right now?

All valid points. I’m just trying to gauge the potential unpredictable booking that could be made next year. We know that R&L sometimes likes to jump the gun a bit.

 

4 minutes ago, dentalplan said:

Ok, that's fair

She was anticipated to be the next big thing and have an Invasion of Privacy level blow-up, and then that release appears to have only scraped into the top 10 in the US. I don't really think it's as simple as 'was only an EP, jury's still out!' here, I think she just may not end up as popular as people thought she would. Like, do you remember Desiigner?

If you're putting TikTok popularity into this then you have to remember those things die out as quickly as they blow up so there are gonna be a hundred songs that blow up on there between now and the 2021 festival. Lessons should be learned from Macklemore & Ryan Lewis in 2014.

Again, fair points. Have R&L learned that lesson though?

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2 minutes ago, Matt42 said:

All valid points. I’m just trying to gauge the potential unpredictable booking that could be made next year. We know that R&L sometimes likes to jump the gun a bit.

I actually think an act like Doja Cat would be more likely to get a decent slot next year. Don't think she'll sub, but I think she's more likely than Megan Thee Stallion at this point.

Both of them would have been great booking for this year. Shame they didn't get either/they weren't available.

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4 minutes ago, SomeoneListeningIn said:

I actually think an act like Doja Cat would be more likely to get a decent slot next year. Don't think she'll sub, but I think she's more likely than Megan Thee Stallion at this point.

Both of them would have been great booking for this year. Shame they didn't get either/they weren't available.

 Not sure if I missed it but it looks like Megan has totally sacked off the U.K so far. Don’t think I saw her on any lineups that I would have expected her to be at.

I could have seen Doja being a late addition to R&L.

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2 minutes ago, Matt42 said:

 Not sure if I missed it but it looks like Megan has totally sacked off the U.K so far. Don’t think I saw her on any lineups that I would have expected her to be at.

I could have seen Doja being a late addition to R&L.

Yeah I looked the other day and seems like she’s only ever played in the UK once. Surely will change eventually though.

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Just now, SomeoneListeningIn said:

Yeah I looked the other day and seems like she’s only ever played in the UK once. Surely will change eventually though.

It can be like that for some US hip hop acts. Which makes me think she’s the type to only show up if she’s got a big slot.

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I guess Meek Mill did get a Wireless Festival headline slot for his first UK show and people didn't seem to mind that announcement. He went through a lot more to get there like.

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1 minute ago, dentalplan said:

I guess Meek Mill did get a Wireless Festival headline slot for his first UK show and people didn't seem to mind that announcement. He went through a lot more to get there like.

I think it’s because the US hip hop market is so strong that they can afford to not bother with places like Europe etc. They don’t exactly care about putting the graft in if they are making enough money domestically.

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1 minute ago, Matt42 said:

I think it’s because the US hip hop market is so strong that they can afford to not bother with places like Europe etc. They don’t exactly care about putting the graft in if they are making enough money domestically.

That is absolutely true. Plus I'm sure a lot of the festivals a) don't exactly know what to do with these acts because of how divisive their presence can be, and b) are constantly burned by no-shows and then have to deal with the same agencies in booking the next US hip hop star.

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2 minutes ago, dentalplan said:

That is absolutely true. Plus I'm sure a lot of the festivals a) don't exactly know what to do with these acts because of how divisive their presence can be, and b) are constantly burned by no-shows and then have to deal with the same agencies in booking the next US hip hop star.

Why do I have to fly all the way to Europe to sub some band called courtneeners when I can headline rolling loud down the street and get paid 3 million dollars for it?

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If we’re talking American hip hop artists, I would really love to see Princess Nokia on the lineup. 

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On 4/4/2020 at 10:26 PM, Matt42 said:

I reckon Megan Thee Stallion could sub next year.

nah no way... doja cat however i could see getting a fairly big slot... megan thee stallion though would probably an early afternoon mainstage slot or somewhere within the top 4 of radio 1 (but not headline). 

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6 hours ago, stanh said:

nah no way... doja cat however i could see getting a fairly big slot... megan thee stallion though would probably an early afternoon mainstage slot or somewhere within the top 4 of radio 1 (but not headline). 

No chance she’d accept a slot that low.

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48 minutes ago, Gerard the Fab said:

Sorry if this is slightly insensitive but are the Prodigy still playing without Keith

I think Liam said that they were going to carry on working on music as a tribute to Keith as he wouldn’t have wanted them to stop. Not sure how that’s developing at the minute but I don’t believe anything’s been said about live shows.

 

Either way, don’t think they’re very likely at all to ever play R&L again, even if Keith was still around.

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5 hours ago, TheWaters said:

I think Liam said that they were going to carry on working on music as a tribute to Keith as he wouldn’t have wanted them to stop. Not sure how that’s developing at the minute but I don’t believe anything’s been said about live shows.

 

Either way, don’t think they’re very likely at all to ever play R&L again, even if Keith was still around.

One band I would love to see, but not even like a DJ set or summin?

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2 hours ago, Gerard the Fab said:

One band I would love to see, but not even like a DJ set or summin?

Probably even less likely than a live set haha. If they do ever tour again I’d say their own tour would be the best place to see them. Or glastonbury. I suspect once they’re back on track and definitely performing again they’ll feel they have some unfinished business there as they were set to headline the other stage before the tragedy.

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On 3/20/2020 at 10:25 AM, Tom Connolly said:

in my opinion nothing but thieves will headline one day

forget i said this, looks like their career is in tatters

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59 minutes ago, Tom Connolly said:

forget i said this, looks like their career is in tatters

Yeah they’re done for surely. Something like 40 different girls have apparently come forward with stories with several of them being underage at the time. Big shame as they’re talented and I used to LOVE them but can’t help it if they’re awful people.

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8 hours ago, TheWaters said:

Yeah they’re done for surely. Something like 40 different girls have apparently come forward with stories with several of them being underage at the time. Big shame as they’re talented and I used to LOVE them but can’t help it if they’re awful people.

I had a read through the accusations and I didn't see anything to suggest any of the girls were under 16, in fact I saw one where the singer found out a girl was 15 and then stopped contact. Morally questionable for sure, but not underage. I also saw a few images that had been floating around for a few years and I thought had been proven false. Still dumb for the band to be using their verified social media for that kind of stuff though, I wonder if the NME/Kerrang/Altpress etc. are going to pick up on it.

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17 minutes ago, sacred shape said:

This is the accusation thread on Twitter

Blimey, they were one of my favourites, gotta change my mind now, have two CDs as well 

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