Radiohead touring in 2016

[ericlered]

6 minutes ago, mungo57 said:

It was difficult to get new music on 12'' vinyl when I grew up (in the 90s). Everything in my record shops I used to go to was CD apart from singles, which you could get on 7'' vinyl and I usually never bothered as I still don't like buying singles.

I could have only gotten 2nd hand vinyl, and as Watford had nowhere to buy it.

Must be Watford, I don't remember have any problem buying anything on 12" vinyl in the 90's I was into, Oasis, Radiohead, Nirvana, Sonic Youth etc. That was in Sheffield though so we had Virgin, HMV plus Warp Records and a few others independents.

Edited March 10, 2016 by ericlered

[mungo57]

3 minutes ago, thatcrazypenguin said:

Haha taken back man though it wasnt intended to be aimed at you personally anyway I was just stating the fact that its one thing that synonymous with the so called `hipster` culture....everything's retro you know what I mean?  I was just curious as if theres a nice sound from them I wouldnt mind getting a few lps because like you say the artwork is awesome and some of them even the discs when picture discs look stunning(Id love to collect the old iron maiden picture discs on vinyl for example as love their artwork) ....but I dont want to spend on getting equipment solely for that purpose only to find out no matter how it looks it sounds poor compared to what im used to 

I get you, I was kidding mate

[mungo57]

2 minutes ago, ericlered said:

Must be Watford, I don't remember have any problem buying anything on 12" vinyl in the 90's I was into, Oasis, Radiohead, Nirvana, Sonic Youth etc. That was in Sheffield though so we had Virgin, HMV plus Warp Records and a few others independents.

In Watford we had HMV but I either didn't notice it or forgot as I hardly used there, Virgin whatever it was called that became Zavvi and they didn't stock vinyl, some random CD/DVD/VHS place that I can't for the life of me remember what it was called and a place called CD Warehouse that only sold CD's.

When I was 13/14/15 I was more concerned with spending money on concerts anyway not recorded music. Only when I turned 16 did I really start collecting and that was CDs as they were far more accessible to my limited budget and I had the space for CD's whereas I didn't LP's.

Nowadays, I FIND space for my LP's.

[sloseph]

as long as you've got a decent turntable and a well pressed record then Vinyl sounds much cleaner and the songs have more depth to them, i can pick easily pick out the layers of a track

for me the main benefit is that i concentrate on the music a lot more when it's a record, i'm a bugger for sticking an album on and then not paying any attention to it but when it comes to spinning a record I'm much more attentive

the only problem with Vinyl is that i don't have enough Radiohead, i went to slap on In Rainbows the other week only to discover i never bought it and it was TKOL instead, i was devastated

[Spindles]

6 minutes ago, The Nal said:

Theres absolutely no comparison. Vinyl (provided the pressing is good and not a bootleg from a CD etc) is far, far, far superior. Completely different listening experience. 

The difference between something like a Factory records 12" and a mass market LP was insane, one a finely crafted disc, thick vinyl and smooth curved edge, the other some skinny piece of pap with crinkle cut edges and a shape that looked like a contour map of Hobbiton.  I'm sure that the best independent labels were losing money on pretty much everything they sold.

 

 

[jparx]

12 minutes ago, sloseph said:

as long as you've got a decent turntable and a well pressed record then Vinyl sounds much cleaner and the songs have more depth to them, i can pick easily pick out the layers of a track

for me the main benefit is that i concentrate on the music a lot more when it's a record, i'm a bugger for sticking an album on and then not paying any attention to it but when it comes to spinning a record I'm much more attentive

the only problem with Vinyl is that i don't have enough Radiohead, i went to slap on In Rainbows the other week only to discover i never bought it and it was TKOL instead, i was devastated

I agree with all of this. Also, In Rainbows is mega on vinyl. You definitely need it!

I'm really desperate for HTTT but I can't find it for a decent price. 

[sloseph]

11 minutes ago, jparx said:

I agree with all of this. Also, In Rainbows is mega on vinyl. You definitely need it!

I'm really desperate for HTTT but I can't find it for a decent price. 

same HTTT is next on the list after In Rainbows

at the moment i'm struggling with the small selection of Kid A and TKOL, as much as i love Kid A i need more

[ericlered]

54 minutes ago, mungo57 said:

In Watford we had HMV but I either didn't notice it or forgot as I hardly used there, Virgin whatever it was called that became Zavvi and they didn't stock vinyl, some random CD/DVD/VHS place that I can't for the life of me remember what it was called and a place called CD Warehouse that only sold CD's.

When I was 13/14/15 I was more concerned with spending money on concerts anyway not recorded music. Only when I turned 16 did I really start collecting and that was CDs as they were far more accessible to my limited budget and I had the space for CD's whereas I didn't LP's.

Nowadays, I FIND space for my LP's.

To be fair, you were only about 12 in 2000 (lucky sod!) so I'm guessing you weren't buying loads of albums in the 90's, nevermind trawling through the shops hunting for vinyl. You were doing well going to concerts at 13/14, I didn't start gigging (couldn't afford to) until I was about 18 and working part time whilst I was at University.

I remember in the late 90's early 00's there were a spate of shops opening selling cd's cheap and dvd's but not really vinyl, In the wake of the cheap online cd sellers, and vinyl definitely became harder to source as it went out of fashion.

Looking back on it, the Virgin Megastore seemed very corporate at the time but it was a godsend with vinyl, and limited releases especially (in the mid 90's anyway, whilst i studied there) A quick google turns out that they were rebranded as Zavvi as late as 2007 but I had left the area in 2005 for Manchester, which has the wonderful Piccadilly Records and quite a number of smaller independent record shops.

Edited March 10, 2016 by ericlered

[The Nal]

14 minutes ago, Scruffylovemonster said:

cd's also lose top and bottom end compared to vinyl if you've got a decent turntable and am.. The sound is far superior to cds. Cds and digital being better sounding was a lie we all fell for in the 90s. I cannot comment on flac but I have a few albums on both cd and vinyl, and the vinyl sounds much better.

All I can suggest to people is to listen to Nick Drake on CD and then on vinyl. Astonishing difference.

2 minutes ago, thatcrazypenguin said:

FUCK YOU! THERE ARE MANY MANY THINGS I WILL TOLERATE BUT DO NOT CALL ME A SODDING CREED FAN! .......urrgh I feel dirty just saying that bands name....fucking orrible arena rock by numbers fake christian bollocks! haha

so no im not a fan, whatever gave you that idea? 

Dunno mate seemed like your thing?!

*joke*

Point noted!

[sloseph]

2 minutes ago, thatcrazypenguin said:

FUCK YOU! THERE ARE MANY MANY THINGS I WILL TOLERATE BUT DO NOT CALL ME A SODDING CREED FAN! .......urrgh I feel dirty just saying that bands name....fucking orrible arena rock by numbers fake christian bollocks! haha

so no im not a fan, whatever gave you that idea? 

The lady doth protest too much, methinks

[stuartbert two hats]

26 minutes ago, Scruffylovemonster said:

cd's also lose top and bottom end compared to vinyl if you've got a decent turntable and am.. The sound is far superior to cds. Cds and digital being better sounding was a lie we all fell for in the 90s. I cannot comment on flac but I have a few albums on both cd and vinyl, and the vinyl sounds much better.

You've just hit on the achilles heel of vinyl there.  Whilst we can argue about accuracy and warmth until the cows come home, there is one aspect where vinyl is inarguably inferior - bass.  Vinyl masters generally have bottom end removed to stop the needle from jumping off, particularly if hard panned.  There is an argument to be made about really well mastered vinyl aimed at really high quality turntables not being as susceptible to this problem, but it doesn't matter - so many records are mastered with the assumption that if the very deep bass is not rolled off, then the needle will jump out of the groove.

11 minutes ago, The Nal said:

All I can suggest to people is to listen to Nick Drake on CD and then on vinyl. Astonishing difference.

Dunno mate seemed like your thing?!

*joke*

Point noted!

Or Pet Sounds.  Those Nick Drake albums must be some of the finest acoustic recordings ever made, don't you think?  I've never actually heard them on vinyl, but I bet you're right, that would be the ultimate way to hear them. One day, when I have space for a turntable.

[mungo57]

1 hour ago, ericlered said:

To be fair, you were only about 12 in 2000 (lucky sod!) so I'm guessing you weren't buying loads of albums in the 90's, nevermind trawling through the shops hunting for vinyl. You were doing well going to concerts at 13/14, I didn't start gigging (couldn't afford to) until I was about 18 and working part time whilst I was at University.

I remember in the late 90's early 00's there were a spate of shops opening selling cd's cheap and dvd's but not really vinyl, In the wake of the cheap online cd sellers, and vinyl definitely became harder to source as it went out of fashion.

Looking back on it, the Virgin Megastore seemed very corporate at the time but it was a godsend with vinyl, and limited releases especially (in the mid 90's anyway, whilst i studied there) A quick google turns out that they were rebranded as Zavvi as late as 2007 but I had left the area in 2005 for Manchester, which has the wonderful Piccadilly Records and quite a number of smaller independent record shops.

I was good at saving when I was 13/14 and gigs cost far less then!

Nowadays HMV in Kingston has a good selection of vinyl, I use Banquet Records also in Kingston and order online.

My first album purchase was (please don't laugh :p) Blood on the Dance Floor by Michael Jackson when I was 12 then after that Limp Bizkit (Choc Starfish) and Linkin Park (Hybrid Theory).

I already knew what vinyl was then, looking back I just think that the apparent lack of availability and its increased cost was why I never bought any. That and I just remembered I got banned from HMV in Watford cos my mate nicked from there when I was with him

[stuartbert two hats]

20 minutes ago, Scruffylovemonster said:

I have 5 leaves left on vinyl only, but it does sound great. And with regards to the bass, I only thought that was an issue with longer albums meaning the vinyl is a lot thinner - hence a lot of albums over 45mins now being double or even 2 played at 45. Definitely nowt wrong with the bass on my system. Quite often have to turn s woofer off when I go upstairs and can hear the bathroom vibrating when so fear the neighbours must hate me.  

The issue is worse with slower playing records I believe.  I'm not saying the bass is total shit on vinyl, otherwise the whole bassy dance music played on vinyl thing in the 90s thing wouldn't have happened, but you just can't do some of the more extreme things with bass - particularly sub-bass and hard panned bass - on vinyl.  It doesn't make a difference for most music, but it's simply untrue to say that bass is an advantage of vinyl over digital when it's the opposite.

[stuartbert two hats]

It's particularly moot, given that there is a school of thought that we generally perceive bass in mono anyway.  It's a combination of that psychoacoustic effect and the limitations of vinyl why bass (particularly 20th Century bass) is almost always panned dead centre.

[The Nal]

48 minutes ago, stuartbert two hats said:

Those Nick Drake albums must be some of the finest acoustic recordings ever made, don't you think?  I've never actually heard them on vinyl, but I bet you're right, that would be the ultimate way to hear them. One day, when I have space for a turntable.

If you close your eyes its like hes in the room. Haunting stuff. 

[stuartbert two hats]

7 minutes ago, The Nal said:

If you close your eyes its like hes in the room. Haunting stuff. 

I wish someone would do a really authentic Nick Drake covers band to tour his music.  As far as I'm concerned, it's as important as Beethoven or Mozart and needs to be played live.  It's not as if the recordings are full of studio trickery.

I suspect the problem would always be in finding a singer.

[Spindles]

Loving the audiophile turn this thread has taken.  I almost miss vinyl, but honestly, I could never go back to something physical from digital audio.  

Something is lost in not having 2 sides though, or even, in this age of spotify, a running order.  I always remember the sleeve notes from a Lou Reed album telling the listener that the songs should be listened to in order, like watching a film or reading a book, as there was a story to be told and a journey to be shared.

[ericlered]

31 minutes ago, mungo57 said:

I was good at saving when I was 13/14 and gigs cost far less then!

Nowadays HMV in Kingston has a good selection of vinyl, I use Banquet Records also in Kingston and order online.

My first album purchase was (please don't laugh :p) Blood on the Dance Floor by Michael Jackson when I was 12 then after that Limp Bizkit (Choc Starfish) and Linkin Park (Hybrid Theory).

I already knew what vinyl was then, looking back I just think that the apparent lack of availability and its increased cost was why I never bought any. That and I just remembered I got banned from HMV in Watford cos my mate nicked from there when I was with him

Yes HMV is definitely stocking a lot more vinyl and featuring it more prominently in store, compared with 5 to 10 years ago.

In fact thinking about it rationally now... I guess a majority of young people living through their teenage years from about 2000 to 2010 wouldn't really have a clue about vinyl. It was seemingly out of fashion, the HMV type shops might have had a vinyl section, but it was always small and hidden in the shadows, the cheap cd/dvd shops didn't touch vinyl and cd/digital were dominating the mainstream retail sector. The only way you would really know about it is if your parents had a record collection & a player still.

 

 

 

Edited March 10, 2016 by ericlered

[The Nal]

6 minutes ago, Spindles said:

Loving the audiophile turn this thread has taken.  I almost miss vinyl, but honestly, I could never go back to something physical from digital audio.  

Do both! Vinyl is a nice option but will never be my primary format. Its nice to have your favourites on vinyl.

7 minutes ago, Spindles said:

Something is lost in not having 2 sides though

Or 4 sides! Side 3 and 4 of the White Album for example. The missus only really knew the well known Beatles stuff and was taken aback when I played it to her in a row. Sounds very different on vinyl. Long, Long, Long is a scary piece of work.

[jparx]

2 minutes ago, The Nal said:

Do both! Vinyl is a nice option but will never be my primary format. Its nice to have your favourites on vinyl.

That's definitely the way forward. I either buy a record that is a favourite or one that would sound better on vinyl. 

[sloseph]

3 minutes ago, The Nal said:

Do both! Vinyl is a nice option but will never be my primary format. Its nice to have your favourites on vinyl.

agreed. digital is always my default just because of the ease of it and sheer size of my collection but it's so nice to have a break from that and embrace the physical

I normally stick a record on when I'm getting ready for work in the morning, one side is normally long enough for me to sit and eat my breakfast then i'll flip it over and go and get dressed

[Woffy]

I got a new turntable for my birthday last year.

I set it up and asked my 2 little girls what it was. They weren't really sure but the 10 year old tentatively guessed right.

They were utterly transfixed when I put a record on, sat there staring at it going round for ages.

I could see my 5 year old self putting a record - Butch Cassidy & the Sundance Kid OS - on my Mum's turntable for the first time and just being transfixed.

Lovely little moment.

[stuartbert two hats]

2 minutes ago, Woffy said:

I got a new turntable for my birthday last year.

I set it up and asked my 2 little girls what it was. They weren't really sure but the 10 year old tentatively guessed right.

They were utterly transfixed when I put a record on, sat there staring at it going round for ages.

I could see my 5 year old self putting a record - Butch Cassidy & the Sundance Kid OS - on my Mum's turntable for the first time and just being transfixed.

Lovely little moment.

What was the record?

[TheSilence]

Fucks sake. Saw this thread was busy and thought we might have some news. 

[stuartbert two hats]

5 minutes ago, TheSilence said:

Fucks sake. Saw this thread was busy and thought we might have some news. 

Soz

Edited March 10, 2016 by stuartbert two hats