UK Politics

[fred quimby]

9 minutes ago, pink_triangle said:

Phillips was the most high profile, but I’m not convinced she is well known by those who don’t follow politics.

Doubt many know who most of the shadow front bench are.

[steviewevie]

 

[stuie]

9 minutes ago, fred quimby said:

Doubt many know who most of the shadow front bench are.

Surely most people who take an interest in politics know at least some of them… Rachel Reeves, Wes Streeting, Angela Rayner are all prominent figures on the news shows, QT etc.

It’s such a shame Jess Phillips resignd -  she was excellent for that portfolio and she’s a true Labour girl done good character from working class family, public sector parents etc. 

 

[Neil]

1 hour ago, fraybentos1 said:

young people are of course famous for voting tory aren't they

Them voting tory after voting libdem is the only thing that fits the numbers

[Neil]

1 hour ago, stuie said:

Not the flying again 😂

Being a well travelled, trans-Atlantic ex flyer, meat eater and father of kids who fly doesn’t make you the climate saviour you think it does.  

I don't think I'm a climate saviour, but I also don't think that being able to fly easily defines me.  I just took a decision many years ago to not sh*t on your life as much as I could have done. I've certainly never believed that I am defined by how easy i can destroy the planet like you. I also don't think I fart perfume. Veggie farts kill the planet too.

[LJS]

30 minutes ago, Neil said:

Them voting tory after voting libdem is the only thing that fits the numbers

[stuie]

31 minutes ago, Neil said:

I don't think I'm a climate saviour, but I also don't think that being able to fly easily defines me.  I just took a decision many years ago to not sh*t on your life as much as I could have done. I've certainly never believed that I am defined by how easy i can destroy the planet like you. I also don't think I fart perfume. Veggie farts kill the planet too.

Thanks for deciding not to sh*t on my life, after you’ve seen the world. Very noble of you. 

[stuie]

10 minutes ago, LJS said:

Surely after the last couple of disastrous years the chance of voting Tory as you grow older will be a trend of the past? 

I suppose it depends what happens in the coming years - a new labour gov has certainly got a job on its hands to turn this sh*t round. 

[Neil]

6 minutes ago, stuie said:

Thanks for deciding not to sh*t on my life, after you’ve seen the world. Very noble of you. 

It's amazing that someone who goes to Glastonbury is so hostile to a simple greening idea that anyone can easily do without big life changes. Obviously never really got Glastonbury.

[Guest]

24 minutes ago, stuie said:

Surely after the last couple of disastrous years the chance of voting Tory as you grow older will be a trend of the past? 

I suppose it depends what happens in the coming years - a new labour gov has certainly got a job on its hands to turn this sh*t round. 

Yeah that seems to be the case, I think millennials are the first generation that are not getting more right wing as they grow older and that’s continuing into gen z too. Potentially the Tories have a big issue on their hands.

[steviewevie]

 

[Neil]

2 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

 

probably says something about cuts to military maintenance spending. - mod probably decided they could swing some pressure on that from the background, its not everyone that goes screaming to the press about every problem.

[Neil]

6 minutes ago, Ozanne said:

Yeah that seems to be the case, I think millennials are the first generation that are not getting more right wing as they grow older and that’s continuing into gen z too. Potentially the Tories have a big issue on their hands.

they are they just can't recognise it i n themselves. people have been saying for 50+ years that the tory vote would die out. seems as strong as ever! me-me-me-ism is always popular.

Edited February 20, 2024 by Neil

[stuie]

46 minutes ago, Neil said:

It's amazing that someone who goes to Glastonbury is so hostile to a simple greening idea that anyone can easily do without big life changes. Obviously never really got Glastonbury.

So anyone that really ‘got Glastonbury’ doesn’t fly anymore? 

Do you really believe the things you post? 😂😂

[Neil]

5 minutes ago, stuie said:

So anyone that really ‘got Glastonbury’ doesn’t fly anymore? 

Do you really believe the things you post? 😂😂

i'm not the one who has posted about flying boats.

 

someone who got glasto and actually wanted green solutions wouldn't be having a go at someone for their own self-chosen green action. should instead try thinking about how methane is made from vegetable matter.

Edited February 20, 2024 by Neil

[Ryan1984]

39 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

 

Are they starting to turn on Sunak?

I can see them pushing Reform’s agenda quite heavily.

[stuie]

7 minutes ago, Neil said:

i'm not the one who has posted about flying boats.

 

someone who got glasto and actually wanted green solutions wouldn't be having a go at someone for their own self-chosen green action. should instead try thinking about how methane is made from vegetable matter.

Never mentioned ‘flying boats’ ever. And it’s the other way round, you giving people sh*t for flying, after you’ve seen the light… and the world.

Our turn now.

You stay and home eating your beef and preaching.  

 

[steviewevie]

8 hours ago, Ozanne said:

Yeah that seems to be the case, I think millennials are the first generation that are not getting more right wing as they grow older and that’s continuing into gen z too. Potentially the Tories have a big issue on their hands.

bit early for gen z maybe...but yes that has been seen with millenials...maybe something to do with living with parents longer, not being able to buy own home, delaying having kids etc

[steviewevie]

7 hours ago, stuie said:

Never mentioned ‘flying boats’ ever. And it’s the other way round, you giving people sh*t for flying, after you’ve seen the light… and the world.

Our turn now.

You stay and home eating your beef and preaching.  

 

In a way this is it to a certain extent with climate change...to a certain extent it is previous generations' fault (although tbf they didn't know the damage that was being done), and it is current or future generations that have to make the sacrifices to counter it..and that's kind of tough sh*t....although saying that there's loads more flights now and it's a lot cheaper so there you go, fly away.

[steviewevie]

It's all bubbling away leading up to Rochdale...you have this ceasefire vote in commons today...and you have bbc news story leading on a woman saying how she was raped as a child over a 100 times by a grooming gang there...

[steviewevie]

Woohoo! Let's get spending (or tax cutting)...

 

[steviewevie]

 

[steviewevie]

1 hour ago, Nobody Interesting said:

Nobody will have that information as it is nigh on impossible to collect for all sectors - and is it really relevant?

If 2.5% is dire and awful then those finding that really ought to be concentrating on parts that are much higher don';t you think?

I expect if per head would be right up there, it is only rich scum that are flying.

[steviewevie]

4 minutes ago, Nobody Interesting said:

I hope this is just you being daft - cos it is so not true.

If you take those who eat meat and numbers who fly each year to use (rough numbers for both can be found) meat eating is far far worse than flying.

Flying has always been singled out and I really have no idea why as even making clothes is far worse

Of course it's true. If everyone flew we'd be f**ked, fortunately most people are too poor.

[steviewevie]

Relatively..yes.