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6 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

problem is most people in developed countries probably don't even think they're being greedy, they're just getting by.

True, but no one needs a new phone/car/TV etc every year.

Our measure of "getting by" needs readjusting rapidly.

[steviewevie]

issue with this bill seems to be the wet one nation types will vote for it but won't support any amendments that take it even further outside international law, whereas the nutty erg types will vote it through only if they can amend it to take it even further outside international law.

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14 minutes ago, Barry Fish said:

 

Are people really buying this stuff every year ?  

possibly not every year but I have noticed a few puplications pin point "the Deano" as one of the key groups labour want to target at the next election.

They are apparently the children of the old industrial/manufactoring working class who have found okish jobs in the service sector such as call centre manager or estate agent. They indulge in hyper-consumerism and have therefore been hit by the higher interest rates we've had recently as everythings on credit:

https://www.newstatesman.com/comment/2023/08/deano-meme-housing-class-britain

Edited December 12, 2023 by lost

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1 minute ago, steviewevie said:

issue with this bill seems to be the wet one nation types will vote for it but won't support any amendments that take it even further outside international law, whereas the nutty erg types will vote it through only if they can amend it to take it even further outside international law.

It’s just completely bonkers … on this it seems like labours plan is robust . They are a complete rable now and all self serving while seeing out their days . 

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I replaced a five year old phone a couple of months ago. I had no real idea what I was doing and a my WhatsApp messages returned perfectly.

The idea that Whitehall is somehow at the mercy of upgrade technology, rather than deliberately saving messages that clearly involve national and historical importance, is a total joke. As is anyone who believes that there was no WhatsApp policy, so anything goes.

Tribalism has created a nation of idiots. 

[steviewevie]

Deanos of the world unite.

[kalifire]

9 minutes ago, Barry Fish said:

The was no whatsapp policy in 2020...  

So you’re telling us you’ve swallowed the idea that not a single WhatsApp message he sent or received during Covid was pertinent enough for him or his team to have formally retained it for the public record?

This during a time unprecedented decisions were being made that affected the lives (and deaths) of tens of thousands of families, and  you’re happy to accept “hmm, the upgrade seems to have gone wrong again”? 

Jesus Christ. 

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Just now, steviewevie said:

 

My favorite mp right there 

[kalifire]

2 minutes ago, Barry Fish said:

I would rather first stick to the point you was making.

I’m sure you would.

The fact remains that if there was literally nobody in government who was retaining critically important communication about policy being concocted on the fly on a smartphone app, that says much more about the sorry state of government than it does about the official record (which is currently being forensically dismantled).

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A lot of bollocks about sovereignty being spouted 

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2 minutes ago, Barry Fish said:

If there was an effort to hide what happened they didn't do a very good job.

You don’t think collectively and deliberately deleting WhatsApp messages isn’t a very good job? Johnson, Hancock and Sunak all seem to be singing from the same hymn sheet. Doesn’t that ring alarm bells to you?

To me it wreaks of collusion and collective obstruction of justice. How would you describe it?

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[kalifire]

Caroline Lucas describes the Rwanda bill as a “performative piece of cruelty from a dying administration”. 

As insightful and correct as ever. The Commons will be less without her.

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2 minutes ago, kalifire said:

Caroline Lucas describes the Rwanda bill as a “performative piece of cruelty from a dying administration”. 

As insightful and correct as ever. The Commons will be less without her.

Think she’d be second on my list of favourite speakers … Stephen Flynn maybe in 3rd 

[Crazyfool01]

All just an unfortunate coincidence 

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24 minutes ago, kalifire said:

You don’t think collectively and deliberately deleting WhatsApp messages isn’t a very good job? Johnson, Hancock and Sunak all seem to be singing from the same hymn sheet. Doesn’t that ring alarm bells to you?

To me it wreaks of collusion and collective obstruction of justice. How would you describe it?

Just to be clear though, 

That's different to believing they didn't have a policy. I think in fact it supports that there wasn't a policy - otherwise they would have been found to have broken it? Obviously the right thing to have done would be to retain the messages when they get a new phone, but I make a choice to not copy over my messages when I get a new phone, so I can well imagine they did the same (and their reasons for doing that are self preservation, of course).

But I don't think it's a joke to believe they didn't have a policy.

(Website doing something weird when I tried to type a message, so had to write this in notepad).

Edited December 12, 2023 by cellar

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Just now, Barry Fish said:

Well...  Is there anything you think the inquiry is missing ?   Boris / Cummings / Hancock etc have all been savaged.   Some of the scientists etc aren't doing too well I feel.   The inquiry seem to have enough information to make a proper assessment from where I am sitting.

Rishi came out of it well but then again, I think he mostly did a good job.  If you care for the facts rather than conjecture. 

The over focus on whatsapp messages seems only really important to a certain tribe.

You know a huge amount of taxpayer money went to the teams of Boris and sunak to enable them to answer the questions without causing themselves further issues  ? A huge number of watts apps missing so that far from makes the enquiry complete , along with the pretty blatant lies ( which you believe different ) the enquiry has months and months to run , we await Simon case input which should be interesting … hope he’s not got the bad memory of sunak or lost his phone also … 

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2 hours ago, steviewevie said:

UK climate change minister has left COP early to vote on this stupid Rwanda bill. Priorities.

Flying home and then back again after voting. 

 

 

Edited December 12, 2023 by stuie

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31 minutes ago, kalifire said:

You don’t think collectively and deliberately deleting WhatsApp messages isn’t a very good job? Johnson, Hancock and Sunak all seem to be singing from the same hymn sheet. Doesn’t that ring alarm bells to you?

To me it wreaks of collusion and collective obstruction of justice. How would you describe it?

He wouldn't be saying any of this if it was a Labour Minister, I would imagine things would be very different if it was Labour for some reason that none of us can possibly imagine.

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Sunak should win this easily and will win it but it's going to be close.

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7 minutes ago, Barry Fish said:

Lets break this apart.  

To prepare for something like this you do need to time and money to prepare.  It happened years ago and you need to re-breif yourself ready to answer the questions.  This enables the inquiry to do a better job.  Can you remember what you was doing on March 29th 2022 in detail ?  Of course not...
 

Now, this is your opinion and one with no substance.  You just use the valid reason above to further your own tribal political agenda 😛 
 

I honestly can't believe you aren't able to see this in front of you Barry ..... Time to prepare yep , honest answers yep and some well prepared notes of course .... id not remember the half of it but it's written down there for them to refer to the dates and id be more than capable .... ive taken part in several diisciplinary procedures where ive had to help do similar but on a smaller scale of course . 

Do you think these  two are appalling liars or not ? Starting with Boris ? 

Edited December 12, 2023 by Crazyfool01

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4 minutes ago, Barry Fish said:

What is funny to see is the frustration that the inquiry often isn't tell you what you want to hear.  You all sat around yesterday waiting for Rishi blood.  It didn't come because he did a good job.  So now its all focused on whatapp messages, an easy attack.  Frustrated much ? 

nope ... id be happy when this sh*t show get voted out though along with Sunak , bunch of corrupt assholes 

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20 minutes ago, Ozanne said:

He wouldn't be saying any of this if it was a Labour Minister, I would imagine things would be very different if it was Labour for some reason that none of us can possibly imagine.

Chilcot Report thread is here, Barry is pretty much the only person sticking up for labour:

https://www.efestivals.co.uk/forums/topic/214096-the-chilcot-report/

 

Edited December 12, 2023 by lost