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[steviewevie]

7 hours ago, Skip997 said:

We really can't be using fossil fuels for decades, the science is clear, we haven't got that long to be messing about.

A radical change is required across the board and not just in our chosen use of fuel/power sources, but also in which technology we continue to use,  how we life our lifes, what's actually important and most impotantly we need a massive (for want of a better word) spiritual evolution.

we need a messiah.

[steviewevie]

7 hours ago, Skip997 said:

You  clearly haven't read what I've written.

My point is that we can't just stick up a few wind turbines and a load of EV charging point, insulate a few buildings etc

It's an extremely complicated problem with a huge number of factors.

If we really want to reach 100% "clean" energy, then how about the goods produced for us in India/China etc?

Are we going to do without them or make them here?

Or more likely just ignore and claim the associated emissions have nothing to do with us.

we're not going to reach 100% clean energy, that isn't the plan for anyone. It is net zero. In short/medium term it is cutting emissions, not zero emissions.  Maybe we'll get there in the long term, 100 years or something, but they need more tech breakthroughs.

[Guest]

50 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

We have to get better at building and doing stuff in this country, maybe Labour can go somewhere to resolving that with planning/regulation changes, I don't know. So much needs to be done for this clean energy stuff, the grid, transport, homes. How many years were they building HS2 for and how delayed and over budget has it been? I know not same scale at all, but near where I live they have been building these groovy new cycle lanes, started last spring, was supposed to be finished last autumn, still being done and look a long way from completion, and has meant loads of disruption on the roads and the locals moan about it constantly on facebook. I guess probably have gone way over budget too. So, delays, spiraling costs, and an unhappy public...that is what we face on a massive scale.

It's not hard to imagine half a job done by end of next parliament, everyone fed up with it all, fed up that public services haven't improved, and vote in the Tories who are promising to bin the net zero thing and spend the money on hospitals instead.

This is partly the problem, anything other than perfection will be viewed as a Labour failure and will allow the Tories back in. Even if Labour only get a partial amount done that will still be infinitely better than anything the Tories have done over the last 14 years. As I’ve said before the Tories play politics on easy mode and this sums it up. Nowhere does anyone ever say this type of thing about the Tories and their colossal failures. 

[Ryan1984]

7 hours ago, kaosmark2 said:

If transphobia is unacceptable because a hate crime victim's family is there, that implies that it's acceptable the rest of the time.

I'm not directly accusing you btw, but I really want to make that point.

The incitement of hate crime is constant. And Streeting and Starmer aren't much better than Sunak on this.

Sturgeon actually made a good point that it’s very unlikely Starmer would have asked for an apology if the mother wasn’t in there.

[steviewevie]

12 minutes ago, Ryan1984 said:

Sturgeon actually made a good point that it’s very unlikely Starmer would have asked for an apology if the mother wasn’t in there.

probably not...but hypothetical anyway.

[steviewevie]

That Blair guy again

 

[steviewevie]

That More In Common guy again..

 

[lost]

It was burried in that IMF statement recently that advised Hunt against cutting taxes further, that the Tories have had the easy wins during the drive to net zero so far and during the next stage (which will probably happen under labour) more costs will need to be passed onto the consumer.

[Neil]

1 hour ago, steviewevie said:

Are we going to do without them or make them here?

Or more likely just ignore and claim the associated emissions have nothing to do with us.

we've exported our emissions, and then claim great progress while pointing the finger at china for the worst problems.

[fred quimby]

1 hour ago, Ryan1984 said:

Sturgeon actually made a good point that it’s very unlikely Starmer would have asked for an apology if the mother wasn’t in there.

True, but isn't that the point that she was there and Sunak should have tempered his language. Starmer pointed that out. 

[fraybentos1]

1 hour ago, Ozanne said:

This is partly the problem, anything other than perfection will be viewed as a Labour failure and will allow the Tories back in. 

I don't think this is true. Last time Labour were in power they got 3 full terms. It's only really the big recession that changed things cause Brown could have won a 4th before that too.

[fraybentos1]

8 hours ago, Neil said:

or the worse tiresome aggression from a hypocritical troll?

Hypocritical how?

Also I do not think you are one to talk about aggression Neil.

[Skip997]

World's first year-long breach of key 1.5C warming limit

[steviewevie]

16 minutes ago, Skip997 said:

World's first year-long breach of key 1.5C warming limit

good timing.

[Neil]

54 minutes ago, fraybentos1 said:

Hypocritical how?

Also I do not think you are one to talk about aggression Neil.

i'm not the one going round complaining of others while doing worse myself, i leave that idiocy to you.

[fraybentos1]

3 minutes ago, Neil said:

i'm not the one going round complaining of others while doing worse myself, i leave that idiocy to you.

Sorry, you're going to have to spell this one out for me! That's just gibberish.

[fraybentos1]

4 minutes ago, Neil said:

i'm not the one going round complaining of others while doing worse myself, i leave that idiocy to you.

explain clearly what I have 

1) complained of others doing 

2)what i do that is worse than 1)

[steviewevie]

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[Neil]

12 minutes ago, fraybentos1 said:

Sorry, you're going to have to spell this one out for me! That's just gibberish.

you've been complaining about supposed passive aggressive posts by some people, while making clearly aggressive posts yourself.

[Neil]

13 minutes ago, fraybentos1 said:

explain clearly what I have 

1) complained of others doing 

2)what i do that is worse than 1)

you've been complaining about supposed passive aggressive posts by some people, while making clearly aggressive posts yourself.

[fraybentos1]

4 minutes ago, Neil said:

you've been complaining about supposed passive aggressive posts by some people, while making clearly aggressive posts yourself.

Good point 

That's almost as hypocritical as telling everyone not to fly while wanting to spend my summer on a mega yacht.... oh wait.

Anyway my posts had to be approved for the last week by a mod so there can't have been that much wrong with them 🙂 

[stuie]

12 hours ago, Ozanne said:

I think the ambition is the timeframe, clean energy by 2030 seems very ambitious to me. If the U.K. can get there in that time frame then we’ll have done an incredible job with both public and private sectors working together. 

Labour or Conservative, there is no way this country can achieve clean energy by 2030.  We have motorways full of fossil fuel cars and lorries, 7000 planes in our skies every day and about 50% of our energy still comes from non-renewable sources. Even 28 billion a year won't fix that. 

[Neil]

2 minutes ago, fraybentos1 said:

Good point 

That's almost as hypocritical as telling everyone not to fly while wanting to spend my summer on a mega yacht.... oh wait.

how long have yacht's been flying???

i'll be going there by train. mr troll

are you too dumb to recognise why flying is bad?

Edited February 8, 2024 by Neil

[Neil]

3 minutes ago, stuie said:

Labour or Conservative, there is no way this country can achieve clean energy by 2030.  We have motorways full of fossil fuel cars and lorries, 7000 planes in our skies every day and about 50% of our energy still comes from non-renewable sources. Even 28 billion a year won't fix that. 

you ever thought of giving it up? you're like the geezer in the traffic jam complaining about it  but not realising that he is the traffic jam.

[Crazyfool01]

Could we get the thread back on track please