When will this shit end?

[Crazyfool01]

1 minute ago, steviewevie said:

yeah, but it's not the same as how they are getting criticised this morning...people are calling for the head of the met to quit. All I remember from bristol is people getting their knickers in a twist about some statue of a slave trader being chucked in the harbour.

theres been fairly big criticisms ... but maybe not quite so much focus on it because of the fact its not London based ... 

[gooner1990]

5 minutes ago, crazyfool1 said:

they have been criticised for the handling of the black lives matter protests in Bristol .... in an internet connected world criticism will always come from somewhere 

Anything and everything has criticism nowadays because like you say there is the internet which gives everyone a voice.

[Crazyfool01]

in covid vaccination news our mass vaccine centre locally is trippling the number of vaccinations being done next week .... hopefully that will apply nationally 🙂 

[steviewevie]

2 minutes ago, crazyfool1 said:

theres been fairly big criticisms ... but maybe not quite so much focus on it because of the fact its not London based ... 

and it's white people?

[BobWillis2]

9 minutes ago, Ozanne said:

Absolutely, it’s really good to see Labour taking a stand against this type of bill. It’ll go through but I’m time they’ll be able to say they stood against it. 

“at least we voted against it” is not doing enough. 

[March Hare]

4 minutes ago, Barry Fish said:

Kind of a different narrative than quiet women silently holding a vigal handing out flowers.  Thanks for sharing. 

Can’t see or hear anything that would necessitate an arrest though

[zahidf]

2 minutes ago, Barry Fish said:

It's pretty clear that once night fall came the mood of the protestors got far more heated and increased in numbers.

Yeah sure. It's the victims fault again. 

[zahidf]

1 minute ago, March Hare said:

Can’t see or hear anything that would necessitate an arrest though

Or getting knocked to the ground and kneed in the back

[BobWillis2]

1 minute ago, March Hare said:

Can’t see or hear anything that would necessitate an arrest though

Did anybody in that video get arrested then? 
 

[Crazyfool01]

Did the police presence actually achieve anything  covid safety wise ? the point of them going in would be to disperse the crowds .... they didnt achieve that .... the crowd dispersed on its own which it would have anyway .... 

[March Hare]

1 minute ago, BobWillis2 said:

Did anybody in that video get arrested then? 
 

Possibly, possibly not. My observation was limited to that video, for which I’m still confident saying that what I see and hear wouldn’t necessitate an arrest.  

[Crazyfool01]

1 minute ago, Barry Fish said:

Not true if you watch the video I posted.  The crowd dispersed very soon after the policed moved in.

i watched the 4 hour subject access video .... 

[zahidf]

2 minutes ago, crazyfool1 said:

Did the police presence actually achieve anything  covid safety wise ? the point of them going in would be to disperse the crowds .... they didnt achieve that .... the crowd dispersed on its own which it would have anyway .... 

Well they told the women to keep their mouths shut, so Job done from their perspective. Managed to protect one of their own successfully 

[BobWillis2]

1 minute ago, March Hare said:

Possibly, possibly not. My observation was limited to that video, for which I’m still confident saying that what I see and hear wouldn’t necessitate an arrest.  

It’s the equivalent of going to a football match and some fans being arrested outside for hooliganism, and then posting a video of fans in the stands sat down watching the game and saying “Why did they arrest the hooligans? Look at the fans behaving” 

 

[zahidf]

 

[Crazyfool01]

Just now, zahidf said:

Well they told the women to keep their mouths shut, so Job done from their perspective. Managed to protect one of their own successfully 

like i posted before Ive watched the videos of lots of the marches during lockdown ... most of which have achieved a the desired effect in crowd dispersal .... all i saw here was a group of officers removing a "protester "  and then taking them back to the van through a crowd .... the police didnt have the numbers there to disperse people ... so the safest approach would have been to educate people around the edges and encourage people to go home 

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[Crazyfool01]

4 minutes ago, Barry Fish said:

Well that didn't show the police moving in for four hours did it 🙂

what really happened is known now.

policed moved in, 4 people refuse to disperse and got arrested - names taken and released, rest shouted a lot and left promptly after.  

it's all on video 

promptly in a 4 hour video ... yep that worked well .... maybe they left because they had spent 4 hours there ... and nothing to do with the policing ?!! 

[March Hare]

Just now, BobWillis2 said:

It’s the equivalent of going to a football match and some fans being arrested outside for hooliganism, and then posting a video of fans in the stands sat down watching the game and saying “Why did they arrest the hooligans? Look at the fans behaving” 

 

I disagree with the analogy which is overly simplistic and you have compared those arrested with football hooligans.  If I see the equivalent video that shows that, if it even exists, then maybe your analogy would hold up. But for now, based on the video posted, I stand by my initial comment.

Your analogy does draw a comparison with some of the most unpleasant people in society (football hooligans).  I think that is extreme based on the information so far.

[March Hare]

2 minutes ago, Barry Fish said:

Wooooshhh

You intentionally missed the point 

Use of football hooligans in the conversation is loaded IMO

[steviewevie]

[Crazyfool01]

12 minutes ago, Barry Fish said:

Yeah I am sure the police moving in had nothing to do with it.  Suppose it was tea time for everyone at the same time  😀

Must have got it wrong that most people where there for a vigil and not a sleepover then 🙂 ... have a read of my posts ... I’ve been nervous about lots of the marches but some of the tactics used have caused the crowds to disperse but here they did nothing apart from misjudge and cause unnecessary anger towards them when they would already be a target for that emotion ... wrong choice last night for me 

[steviewevie]

Ireland has suspended AZ vaccine 

[steviewevie]

Met police are a bunch of thugs. Everyone knows it.

[Simsy]

12 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

Ah, classic. You can have a bill that does all this good stuff (but also some shit stuff). Surely the good stuff is enough to make you forget that it also does the shit stuff. If you don't vote for it, it must be because you don't want the good stuff, not that you don't want the shit that comes bundled with it.

[steviewevie]

2 minutes ago, Simsy said:

Ah, classic. You can have a bill that does all this good stuff (but also some shit stuff). Surely the good stuff is enough to make you forget that it also does the shit stuff. If you don't vote for it, it must be because you don't want the good stuff, not that you don't want the shit that comes bundled with it.

Yeah, and they can play the labour is soft on crime thing which always works so well for them.

Just got to hope that enough tory mps threaten to revolt so they take some of the shitty stuff out.