Flares banned.

[Charm]

I'm glad those sky lanterns are gone too, I saw one land on the head of some poor guy who was sitting next to me, it burnt his hair a bit but fortunately he wasn't badly hurt, was still pretty scary though. 
Charm x

[ironmike8]

Was kind of hoping to bring a flare or two this year, this is bad news. 

 

Also, a moshpit is definitely still dangerous, and it's quite the presumption to assume everyone is a willing participant 

[russycarps]

27 minutes ago, thatcrazypenguin said:

Yeah a moshpit full of willing participants that really isnt dangerous is tottally akin to someone setting off a lit firework inches above peoples heads in a packed crowd with the potential to set fire to people who have no choice but to stand next to said firework. 

http://www.blabbermouth.net/news/report-up-to-30-injured-in-disturbed-mosh-pit-at-wisconsin-concert/

http://www.metalsucks.net/2017/01/30/code-orange-fan-suffers-broken-jaw-brain-bleeding-from-mosh-pit-injury/

http://www.billboard.com/articles/news/75624/dozens-injured-in-eminem-mosh-pit

http://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/local/Lawsuit-Over-Mosh-Pit-Injuries-200526781.html

Presumably you can link to similar articles where dozens of people have been injured by flares at music events?

 

 

Edited April 4, 2017 by russycarps

[PretentiousThinkpiece]

10 minutes ago, russycarps said:

http://www.blabbermouth.net/news/report-up-to-30-injured-in-disturbed-mosh-pit-at-wisconsin-concert/

http://www.metalsucks.net/2017/01/30/code-orange-fan-suffers-broken-jaw-brain-bleeding-from-mosh-pit-injury/

http://www.billboard.com/articles/news/75624/dozens-injured-in-eminem-mosh-pit

http://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/local/Lawsuit-Over-Mosh-Pit-Injuries-200526781.html

Presumably you can link to similar articles where dozens of people have been injured by flares at music events?

 

 

disturbed/code orange are shit and who the fuck moshes at a rap show that's just fucking bizarre 

wonder if anyone at this show got injured and then complained about it

 

[Quark]

Flares and moshpits are two sides of the same coin.  When self policed by people who aren't dickheads, they're both amazing. When it's pissed up twats who can't or choose not to control their actions, not so good.  Been in both kinds of pits; one's amazing and ones a fucking embarrassment that leads to incidents like @The Nal's. I've had to take someone to the side for a decorum chat before now. Ditto with flares; Sympathy for the Devil was something else, but smoke bombs and people too twatted to stand upright waving a 1,600 degree firestick around can get tae fuck.

But as both Simian and Russy have said, it's the Eavii's farm, and they're perfectly within their rights to ask us not to take those things in.

[Quark]

1 minute ago, PretentiousThinkpiece said:

disturbed/code orange are shit and who the fuck moshes at a rap show that's just fucking bizarre 

wonder if anyone at this show got injured and then complained about it

You know that's not an argument, right?

[PretentiousThinkpiece]

shit people see shit bands

[Quark]

1 minute ago, PretentiousThinkpiece said:

shit people see shit bands

I can't even.....I mean.....what?

[thatcrazypenguin]

12 minutes ago, russycarps said:

http://www.blabbermouth.net/news/report-up-to-30-injured-in-disturbed-mosh-pit-at-wisconsin-concert/

http://www.metalsucks.net/2017/01/30/code-orange-fan-suffers-broken-jaw-brain-bleeding-from-mosh-pit-injury/

http://www.billboard.com/articles/news/75624/dozens-injured-in-eminem-mosh-pit

http://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/local/Lawsuit-Over-Mosh-Pit-Injuries-200526781.html

Presumably you can link to similar articles where dozens of people have been injured by flares at music events?

 

 

im not turning this thread into a pro/anti mosh pit thing, mate if you think letting off a firework with the potential to seriously burn people or even worse in a packed crowd is acceptable and akin to a mosh pit then your a fool and not worth arguing with so why bother?
 

[Quark]

Just now, thatcrazypenguin said:

im not turning this thread into a pro/anti mosh pit thing, mate if you think letting off a firework with the potential to seriously burn people or even worse in a packed crowd is acceptable and akin to a mosh pit then your a fool and not worth arguing with so why bother?
 

It's a reasonable comparison though Penguin, surely?  Actions of people in a music crowd having potentially dangerous consequences for those around them who aren't involved. 

[russycarps]

2 minutes ago, thatcrazypenguin said:

im not turning this thread into a pro/anti mosh pit thing, mate if you think letting off a firework with the potential to seriously burn people or even worse in a packed crowd is acceptable and akin to a mosh pit then your a fool and not worth arguing with so why bother?
 

so a flare that has the potential to injure, but rarely does, versus many linked articles detailing dozens and dozens of injuries that actually occurred in mosh pits.

which do you think is more dangerous?

Only a tiny brain would condemn the former but condone the latter.

 

[thatcrazypenguin]

7 minutes ago, Quark said:

It's a reasonable comparison though Penguin, surely?  Actions of people in a music crowd having potentially dangerous consequences for those around them who aren't involved. 

mate ive been going to gigs for 20+ years never once been seriously injured, do you think id dive in a moshpit if I didnt feel it was safe? people take care of one another, people who do fall over get instantly picked up, if someone is being a dick they get dealt with and ejected pretty quickly....so yes I fail to see how thats akin to waving a lit firework in close proximity to peoples heads full well knowing the danger of that.

An apt comparison would be if someone went in a moshpit throwing punches at people.....because then you know someones likly  to get hurt....but you just dont care......Its not as if these flare holders take steps to limit the danger to people as those who take part in a mosh do now is it? I would only let off a flare if I had pleanty of space because im aware of the dangers of doing otherwise.....just the same as if I saw someone fall over in a moshpit I wouldnt continue and trample on them as im aware theyd get hurt! 

Both have the potential to cause harm yes but its how the people involved act more then anything, the kind of people who let off flares in tight crowds are akin to those in a moshpit who go in trying to start a fight and aim violence at people.....both w*nkers and I wouldnt back the arguments of either.

Edited April 4, 2017 by thatcrazypenguin

[thatcrazypenguin]

2 minutes ago, russycarps said:

so a flare that has the potential to injure, but rarely does, versus many linked articles detailing dozens and dozens of injuries that actually occurred in mosh pits.

which do you think is more dangerous?

Only a tiny brain would condemn the former but condone the latter.

 

injurys in a moshpit when they do happen are usually limited to maybe a bruise and the odd black eye.........injuries from a flare could involve life threatening burns. your pretty stupid to even try and compare the two.

[The Placid Casual]

Just now, thatcrazypenguin said:

your pretty stupid to even try and compare the two.

*you're

[Quark]

So again, it comes down to the actions of those involved. When a pit spreads it can (and does) inevitably land on people who were just watching the gig or doing their thing.

I've been in both kinds; ones where you catch people as they fall or pick them up from the floor when they're down, and also ones that are full of complete bellends who don't give a fuck about anyone and are deliberately being twats.  

[simian_mobile_mushrooms]

24 minutes ago, PretentiousThinkpiece said:

shit people see shit bands

Still searching for yourself, eh?

[slash's hat]

http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/whats-on/whats-on-news/stone-roses-etihad-manchester-flares-11491117

http://m.leicestermercury.co.uk/kasabian-fan-furious-rogue-flare-gives-second/story-21302578-detail/story.html

http://www.sheffieldtelegraph.co.uk/news/fan-hurt-by-flare-at-rock-concert-1-3487266

So yes people do get hurt by these things, that was just first page of google search. As usual its the few idiots that ruin it for more responsible people. They make me uncomfortable if close by - not watching the band just watching the person with it doesn't do something stupid.

 

[simian_mobile_mushrooms]

Fuck lads, let's not descend into name calling, stupid, small brain, blah blah blah... It's not a mosh pit v flarezzz debate. Although tbf, I don't like moshers either but that's cos I appreciate my face and shins not getting bruised. 

It's the Eavii's wish, so can't we leave it at that? 

[DeanoL]

I'm not a fan of moshpits either but yeah, there's a fundamental difference between them and flares. Moshpits are an annoyance, essentially, but if someone is being dangerous in a mosh pit, there's generally enough people there that are conscious of what's going to to step in. They do, generally, self police. Which is different to if a clearly fucked up guy is acting dangerously with a lit flare. Who is going to go challenge the guy with the firework that could burn your face off? 

And again, Glastonbury isn't some magical place where bad things don't happen. It's just really lucky. Flares are now illegal. Someone gets seriously injured or worse by a flare at Glastonbury this year, you can bet that'll be used as an excuse to try and withdraw the license. If two people do the festival is likely buggered. And yes the same applies to drugs pretty much - if the festival gets a bunch of drug-related deaths like some others have had it'll be in trouble too. Question is always what you're willing to give up in order to ensure not only everyone's safety, but the future of the festival.

[thatcrazypenguin]

well we have to start on some other group to justify our love of dangerous fireworks being held close to human bodys.....thats about what it comes down to with the above I think  Flares are banned, moshing isnt and theres good reason for that. end of.

[Rumblestripe]

24 minutes ago, russycarps said:

so a flare that has the potential to injure, but rarely does, versus many linked articles detailing dozens and dozens of injuries that actually occurred in mosh pits.

which do you think is more dangerous?

Only a tiny brain would condemn the former but condone the latter.

 

Strawman.

[HoTWire]

26 minutes ago, russycarps said:

so a flare that has the potential to injure, but rarely does, versus many linked articles detailing dozens and dozens of injuries that actually occurred in mosh pits.

which do you think is more dangerous

Surely it is a percentage comparison rather than an absolute value comparison.  Given the volume of mosh pits that happen every day of the week world wide, it is fairly safe to say they are pretty safe.

Similarly flares are pretty safe too, but you can google for injuries from flares and find many news stories of people are football matches and gigs being injured.

 

I shall miss the 'flare of approval' when something awesome is being played.

[slash's hat]

Also, if you have kids with you, you aren't going to go anywhere near a moshpit, some idiot with a flare could be stood anywhere.

[DeanoL]

6 minutes ago, thatcrazypenguin said:

Flares are banned, moshing isnt and theres good reason for that. end of.

Except it's well known that Eavis has avoided booking particularly heavy bands because of worries over crowd injuries. Metallica was the first step away from that and it's changing a little, but moshing was essentially "banned" for years by just not booking bands you could mosh to...

[The Placid Casual]

3 minutes ago, slash's hat said:

Also, if you have kids with you, you aren't going to go anywhere near a moshpit, some idiot with a flare could be stood anywhere.

Be careful for the moshpit we're bringing to Barry Gibb when Tragedy's played