not-Glastonbury 2018

[beaker]

1 hour ago, stuartbert two hats said:

What are you basing these ideas on? Emily will be doing most of the work on setting up this new festival and she's the one that has massively reduced the visible sponsorship over the last decade. However, I do think you're right on one thing - this festival will intially give fewer profits to charity, to help build up a war chest. Whatever site they choose, there will likely be many millions to spend in order to get the infrastructure up to Worthy standards.

Nothing. Just made it up as I typed!

[stuartbert two hats]

2 minutes ago, beaker said:

Nothing. Just made it up as I typed!

Fair enough!

[Guest]

1 hour ago, russycarps said:

Hopefully whatever this new festival turns out to be it is absolutely geared towards the younger generation. Try and make it completely unappealing to old farts.

Bye bye ancient heritage act headliners, no more thousand pound yurts and tipis, ban camping chairs etc

Let this festival look to the future, because Glastonbury has been well and truly appropriated by those stuck in the past.

Glastonbury is far too reliant on the grey pound these days 

 

 

Be careful what you wish for. You could end up with southern version of Parklife.

 

[grumpyhack]

2 hours ago, russycarps said:

Hopefully whatever this new festival turns out to be it is absolutely geared towards the younger generation. Try and make it completely unappealing to old farts.

Bye bye ancient heritage act headliners, no more thousand pound yurts and tipis, ban camping chairs etc

Let this festival look to the future, because Glastonbury has been well and truly appropriated by those stuck in the past.

Glastonbury is far too reliant on the grey pound these days 

 

 

I don't want to be rude Russy but it sounds like you should be considering Reading or V. Us old farts need somewhere to air our camping chairs.

[thesecretingredientiscrime]

6 minutes ago, eastynh said:

Be careful what you wish for. You could end up with southern version of Parklife.

 

The southern version of Parklife is called...Wildlife, and is virtually the same thing but in Brighton.

This thread of discussion leads on to an interesting point though. As reported on efestivals, Parklife and its related ventures (Warehouse Project etc.) have sold a major investment stake to Live Nation. That means Live Nation now either have a major stake or own R&L, T, V, Download, Creamfields, Latitude, Parklife, Lovebox and several others I've forgotten.

It raises further questions about independence in the festival market, and whether the idea of another independent festival such as the Glastonbury spin off entering the market might not be a bad thing. 

I am aware there have been connections between Live Nation/Festival Republic and Glastonbury in the past but don't know if they exist currently.

[russycarps]

40 minutes ago, grumpyhack said:

I don't want to be rude Russy but it sounds like you should be considering Reading or V. Us old farts need somewhere to air our camping chairs.

We've got it, it's called Glastonbury! We don't need another one.

It'd be bonkers to create a new festival and aim it at people who in a few years time will be too decrepit, or too dead, to attend.

[dentalplan]

6 hours ago, eFestivals said:

Right people, calm down calm down.

Breathe.

Scott has just exchanged a few words with Emily, and she insists that talk of a move is incorrect. It's a new event for the year off.  "Same team, different event"

 

I thought this was understood but the problem (to people who have a problem with it) was that it could replace Glastonbury if successful. Or was it stressed that it'd just be an event for fallow year(s)?

[eFestivals]

10 hours ago, stuartbert two hats said:

Fair enough!

and your own making it up, to not believe what Emily has said?

I'll just say I know more than I've posted here, and I believe Emily. She doesn't do bullshit in my experience.

 

[CaledonianGonzo]

8 hours ago, russycarps said:

We've got it, it's called Glastonbury! We don't need another one.

It'd be bonkers to create a new festival and aim it at people who in a few years time will be too decrepit, or too dead, to attend.

That's not the case, though. Amidst older attendees there may not be name recognition of the new and emerging acts announced, but they're there nevertheless. From Protoje to Vince Staples, Little Sims to Lapsely if you look at the poster and only notice the heritage acts it suggests that it's not the festival that's out of touch.

Increasing concentration of cash and spending power in the hands of the elderly at the expense of the young is an issue, but it's a concern for the nation as a whole.

[eFestivals]

8 hours ago, dentalplan said:

I thought this was understood but the problem (to people who have a problem with it) was that it could replace Glastonbury if successful. Or was it stressed that it'd just be an event for fallow year(s)?

From what Emily has said to us, it's a new and different event for the fallow year.

There's lots of questions that can be raised about possibilities for the future of both events - and I'd think the various possibilities are running round Emily's head - but I think that's probably getting too much ahead of things. The new event hasn't been announced and might not even happen; if it does happen, no one knows how it might sell; if it does happen, no one knows how well-received it might be when it happens, how well the organisation might work, etc, etc, etc.

She's not said it explicitly, but the suggestion from her words to us is that Glastonbury Festival will be happening at Worthy Farm in 2019, and that she's wanting to keep it there.

[stuartbert two hats]

4 minutes ago, eFestivals said:

She's not said it explicitly, but the suggestion from her words to us is that Glastonbury Festival will be happening at Worthy Farm in 2019, and that she's wanting to keep it there.

I believe that 100%. But clearly the fact that the new location would allow the survival of GFL in case the original location became untenable hasn't escaped her.

I don't think she's bullshitting, I just don't think such a statement changes things all that much. Then again, I never took this new event as a sign that Worthy wasn't coming back in 2019. This is a long term plan, it would make absolutely no sense to talk about it as a move when the aim is to keep the original site.

[eFestivals]

8 minutes ago, stuartbert two hats said:

I believe that 100%. But clearly the fact that the new location would allow the survival of GFL in case the original location became untenable hasn't escaped her.

Yep, can't argue with that, but I don't believe that's the primary motivation here, tho.

 

8 minutes ago, stuartbert two hats said:

I don't think she's bullshitting, I just don't think such a statement changes things all that much. Then again, I never took this new event as a sign that Worthy wasn't coming back in 2019. This is a long term plan, it would make absolutely no sense to talk about it as a move when the aim is to keep the original site.

I'd say your thinking is off the mark, from what I know.

[russycarps]

38 minutes ago, CaledonianGonzo said:

That's not the case, though. Amidst older attendees there may not be name recognition of the new and emerging acts announced, but they're there nevertheless. From Protoje to Vince Staples, Little Sims to Lapsely if you look at the poster and only notice the heritage acts it suggests that it's not the festival that's out of touch.

Increasing concentration of cash and spending power in the hands of the elderly at the expense of the young is an issue, but it's a concern for the nation as a whole.

It's not just the line up. The whole festival is geared towards older people. From the ticket price downwards. It's undeniable. Hence the average age pushing 40.

I've never been to boomtown but my understanding is that is full of the younger generation and old farts are massively in the minority. Whatever they are doing, that's what this new festival needs to do. It's way too late for glastonbury, but this one is a blank canvas and needs to attract the yoof if it wants to secure a future. 

I bet you 50p the first set of headliners for this festival are prince, radiohead and daft punk, with donovan headlining the "spirit of the 60s" stage.

 

[stuartbert two hats]

7 minutes ago, eFestivals said:

 

I'd say your thinking is off the mark, from what I know.

Which part, that the intent is to keep Worthy, or that the prospect of losing it is given any serious consideration?

[CaledonianGonzo]

11 minutes ago, russycarps said:

It's not just the line up. The whole festival is geared towards older people. From the ticket price downwards. It's undeniable. Hence the average age pushing 40.

While I tend to agree, it's attracting a broad demographic as that's what it's aiming for. The line up is fit for purpose.

As for ticket cost, that's a symptom of the sheer scale of the offering, not because they're fleecing people. And it's that scale, that magnitude of delivery, that makes it the most popular festival on the planet.  It is in very good shape at the minute.

Granted, there's always room for improvement and the audience could be more diverse, but if they suddenly scale it down to a Boom Town style affair then they become just AN Other festival with all the ticket-flogging difficulties that usually entails.

[Junglist1981]

Glongleat?

Anyone?

[eFestivals]

38 minutes ago, stuartbert two hats said:

Which part, that the intent is to keep Worthy, or that the prospect of losing it is given any serious consideration?

neither of those particularly, but that's not everything. You could pick a million different scenarios for how the future might play out, but it doesn't mean the future will play out in any of those ways.

At this moment in time, the new event is a new and different event for the fallow year - and that's all.

It's pointless to try and second guess the future as no one knows what the future will bring. While I'd guess that Emily has thought about the possibilities for the future, I don't get the impression that she's getting too far ahead of herself by working towards a single idea of a changed future of a particular kind, or that moving Glastonbury is something she's keen to do.

[shuttlep]

I quite liked a fallow year,

 

I can only really get away with a week away once a year, this is normally my festival time, so the fallow year gave me  a chance to try new festivals, Primavera was one I have tried and Bestival. in  2018 I was going to try Beathearder. 

 

 

[cammie81]

1 hour ago, shuttlep said:

I quite liked a fallow year,

 

I can only really get away with a week away once a year, this is normally my festival time, so the fallow year gave me  a chance to try new festivals, Primavera was one I have tried and Bestival. in  2018 I was going to try Beathearder. 

 

 

That's why the different site is win win in my opinion as those that want a fallow year can go elsewhere / nowhere safe in the knoweldge that they aren't missing Glastonbury. Those that don't want a year off can go to a festival run by the same people that hopefully still sets itself from all other festivals.

[shuttlep]

Just now, cammie81 said:

That's why the different site is win win in my opinion as those that want a fallow year can go elsewhere / nowhere safe in the knoweldge that they aren't missing Glastonbury. Those that don't want a year off can go to a festival run by the same people that hopefully still sets itself from all other festivals.

I suffer massively from FOMO (Fear of missing out) I will have to go to the new location, otherwise I would implode

[cammie81]

Just now, shuttlep said:

I suffer massively from FOMO (Fear of missing out) I will have to go to the new location, otherwise I would implode

Yeah I know the feeling. Difficult at Glastonbury as however much fun you are having you are missing out on exactly 4,276 other cool things (I counted) at the same time.

[shuttlep]

4 minutes ago, cammie81 said:

Yeah I know the feeling. Difficult at Glastonbury as however much fun you are having you are missing out on exactly 4,276 other cool things (I counted) at the same time.

i know , you think you have done everything then some one strolls up asking if you saw Jarvis Cocker leading an aerobics class.....

 

and you know you failed

[4AssedMonkey]

The replies of those fearing change and nostalgically clinging to the past here surprise me a little.  Things always change and the pace of change always increases.  In the 8 years I've been going, a lot has changed.  Parts of the site are completely unrecognizable visually, and in terms of feel and experience.  I've always expected that at some point, the licencing would change in terms of the alcohol policy, or the free kids, or the land pollution would be an issue etc.  Hell, festivals seem to be on a high at the moment and have been for 6/7 or so years but their popularity may well dwindle if the sheeple/media get a new darling in the coming years and that may change everything.  Let's not forget that as recently as 2008, the festival didn't quite sell out as did many others.

Sands shift people.  Sometimes slowly, sometimes in a huge drift.

[CaledonianGonzo]

Actually, I think that *peak festival* has been and gone a few years back.  Smaller ones seem to be doing OK, but I think some of the larger ones like TITP and IOW are struggling to sell tickets.

[eFestivals]

4 minutes ago, CaledonianGonzo said:

Actually, I think that *peak festival* has been and gone a few years back.  Smaller ones seem to be doing OK, but I think some of the larger ones like TITP and IOW are struggling to sell tickets.

i don't know about 'struggling'. I'm pretty sure they still shift loads even if they're not selling out.

I'd put 'peak festival' as about ten years ago. As soon as the parents want to do it too, that's the start of the slide.

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