The Elephant in the Room.

[eFestivals]

Just now, Vanderlyle said:

I'm 33 so remember the latter IRA days pretty well.

In comparison to earlier years, they were quiet times.

 

1 minute ago, Vanderlyle said:

I just meant that people still drive everywhere now - but the govt will fine you if you speed, or drink drive etc. So measures are taken to protect.

despite that, around 2,000 people die on the roads in the UK every year - a hugely greater number than is likely from even 10 big terrorist attacks.

It can happen to anyone at any time, without them having any control over it. The fear of that random happening happening to you doesn't stop you going about your life.

Consistency and logic says that you shouldn't fear something that's far less likely to a greater extent.

Relax.

[Vanderlyle]

2 minutes ago, The Nal said:

I remember this conversation after the London bombings regarding the 2007 festival. And all the of the festivals in 2005 and 2006. All you can do is carry on.

Yeah - I've been going to big sporting events and gigs for 20 odd years. From end of IRA days, to post 9/11. Don't think there's been a UK attack at and sport or music event during that time (is that right?). 

You're probably far far more likely at Glasto to get caught in a crush, or take a bad mixture, or fall and crack your head on  a tentpole than you are be subject to violence of any sort.

[eFestivals]

3 minutes ago, The Nal said:

I remember this conversation after the London bombings regarding the 2007 festival. And all the of the festivals in 2005 and 2006. All you can do is carry on.

It's not even 'all'. It's what you SHOULD do.

Anything else hands these scumbags the victory they want.

If it's going to happen to you it's going to happen to you. You're just as likely to become a victim by avoiding Glastonbury as you are by attending (unless you know the terrorists' plans? :P ).

 

[Vanderlyle]

1 minute ago, eFestivals said:

It can happen to anyone at any time, without them having any control over it. The fear of that random happening happening to you doesn't stop you going about your life.

Consistency and logic says that you shouldn't fear something that's far less likely to a greater extent.

Relax.

I am relaxed Dude.  I did finish what I said my saying I don't think anything needs to change at Glasto. 

[mrtourette]

14 minutes ago, Avalon_Fields said:

Glastonbury may be a target, but the terrorist would chose to attack with the biggest publicity, chance to kill as many people as possible, and had a good chance of success.

The first two make Glastonbury a risk.

No they don't. Outside of fucking Radio One Newsbeat targeting the festival would not give any more of a significant publicity than any other festival or public gathering. Glastonbury is just not that special to people who don't go to Glastonbury. As for the number of people it's negligible, unless they're going to do it down the front of the Pyramid Stage during Adele it's not going to be as appealing as a tube station, airport or again, any other festival or public event.

You're right with your other points but the two factors you mentioned above follow the same suit - there are far better and more logical targets than a music festival in Somerset.

[Cheesey]

3 minutes ago, mrtourette said:

there are far better and more logical targets than a music festival in Somerset.

Agreed. Consider something like Trooping the Colour - thousands of people crammed onto a globally famous street in the nation's capital. No ticket required. No turnstiles. No security checks.

[Rumblestripe]

I honestly don't think there is much of a threat?

Difficult to get in and of limited propaganda value (c.f. for example "Trooping The Colour"). If you wanted to target a similar event to the Eagles Of Death Metal gig, that is a much more viable target, an arena show or a smaller theatre show given how many of them there are makes them very difficult to protect.

Nah, not worried about Glasto as a target at all on reflection

[Lexbank]

I don't think Glastonbury would be anymore of a risk than any large gathering of people and it worries me not however the necessity to gain entry via a ticket or through the gates is not there only threat is it?

[ivan]

This has been discussed before and festivals do seem to be considered low targets from the view of insurers.

What we may find though is American acts may feel less inclined to tour Europe.  Factoring the worry , extra security. costs and the possibility of disruption they may not think it worthwhile touring over here for a bit. 

So it is possible we may see  less American acts at Glasto next year

 

 

[A Guy Called Matt]

26 minutes ago, Rumblestripe said:

I honestly don't think there is much of a threat?

Difficult to get in and of limited propaganda value (c.f. for example "Trooping The Colour"). If you wanted to target a similar event to the Eagles Of Death Metal gig, that is a much more viable target, an arena show or a smaller theatre show given how many of them there are makes them very difficult to protect.

Nah, not worried about Glasto as a target at all on reflection

I was in the O2 in Bristol on Saturday which is not that big - security had been stepped up and all of us had to go through metal detectors to get into the building.

OK, so some smaller venues might find this more difficult but it can be done makes it almost impossible to get in undetected.

[A Guy Called Matt]

55 minutes ago, eFestivals said:

It's not even 'all'. It's what you SHOULD do.

Anything else hands these scumbags the victory they want.

 

 

Absolutely spot on.

I have been in areas that the IRA tried to and succeed in hitting in the 1980's, I have had to be evacuated and stand in the streets in London.

We carried on then and we have to carry on now.

[mrtourette]

35 minutes ago, Lexbank said:

I don't think Glastonbury would be anymore of a risk than any large gathering of people and it worries me not however the necessity to gain entry via a ticket or through the gates is not there only threat is it?

I suppose they could launch missiles or airstrikes against Glastonbury.

[Rumblestripe]

8 minutes ago, mattyc1965 said:

I was in the O2 in Bristol on Saturday which is not that big - security had been stepped up and all of us had to go through metal detectors to get into the building.

OK, so some smaller venues might find this more difficult but it can be done makes it almost impossible to get in undetected.

It's OK using a metal detector but how would that stop someone armed with an assault rifle storming a building? Which is what I believe happened in Paris?

Just saying, but probably our gun laws are helping us more than anything else here?

[mrtourette]

16 minutes ago, ivan said:

This has been discussed before and festivals do seem to be considered low targets from the view of insurers.

What we may find though is American acts may feel less inclined to tour Europe.  Factoring the worry , extra security. costs and the possibility of disruption they may not think it worthwhile touring over here for a bit. 

So it is possible we may see  less American acts at Glasto next year

That's a far more logical assessment of the situation relating to Glastonbury than the idea that terrorists give a shift about (or have even heard of) it.

[A Guy Called Matt]

5 minutes ago, Rumblestripe said:

It's OK using a metal detector but how would that stop someone armed with an assault rifle storming a building? Which is what I believe happened in Paris?

Just saying, but probably our gun laws are helping us more than anything else here?

The terrorists did not get into the Stade De France and they had guns and bombs. The buildings they got into apart from that seemed to only have low level door staff if anything.

They would not have got into the O2, of that I have no doubt.

 

[Padgey]

I'd like to see them get away quickly having to show their wristband, original ticket and get a pass out as well!

[parsonjack]

One of the biggest risks to life at Glastonbury is not the actual presence of a terrorist attack but of the heightened fear such a possibility brings.

A stampede on a packed field or tent caused by a sudden rumour or suggested attack would likely kill far more than a suicide bomber detonating in an enclosed space where the people in the immediate vicinity would absorb most of the blast energy.

 

 

[efcfanwirral]

32 minutes ago, ivan said:

This has been discussed before and festivals do seem to be considered low targets from the view of insurers.

What we may find though is American acts may feel less inclined to tour Europe.  Factoring the worry , extra security. costs and the possibility of disruption they may not think it worthwhile touring over here for a bit. 

So it is possible we may see  less American acts at Glasto next year

 

 

Prince has cancelled his European tour as well as Foo Fighters - this seems to be happening

[mrtourette]

IS could start false rumours about Radiohead playing The Park and wipe out tens of pretentious arseholes.

Edited November 16, 2015 by mrtourette

[russycarps]

2 minutes ago, efcfanwirral said:

Prince has cancelled his European tour as well as Foo Fighters - this seems to be happening

what good does them cancelling their european tours do? I get why they would postpone paris gigs, or even french gigs, but the whole of europe? 

[Padgey]

Just now, russycarps said:

what good does them cancelling their european tours do? I get why they would postpone paris gigs, or even french gigs, but the whole of europe? 

IS are all over Europe not just in Paris, so I'm assuming they are unsure where they'll strike next if they were going to.

[A Guy Called Matt]

6 minutes ago, efcfanwirral said:

Prince has cancelled his European tour

The conspiracy theorists will tell us that he cancelled the ticket sales last Friday cos he knew what was going to happen.

[tevaburger]

as a few have mentioned, the registration process with names (while not foolproof) pretty much makes this the safest music event you could attend in terms of an IS opportunity. I am sure each one of our images/names will be run through a check of some sort between now and June.

missus and I were at a Madison Square Garden gig just a few weeks back (Blur!) and were amazed by the queues and wait time to get in (x-ray machines, patdowns and the like)...that will be the new norm

i remember the days when you could line up at the steps of the old Wembley Stadium and then dash in and run across the pitch with a few Europa bags of beer that you'd easily brought thru the gates for the day!

[russycarps]

4 minutes ago, Padgey said:

IS are all over Europe not just in Paris, so I'm assuming they are unsure where they'll strike next if they were going to.

You cannot be serious! wow....

 

 

 

[ivan]

4 minutes ago, russycarps said:

what good does them cancelling their european tours do? I get why they would postpone paris gigs, or even french gigs, but the whole of europe? 

The safety of the band and crew are paramount so I presume they just wanted to get home as soon as possible.

And also the cost and logistics,   not knowing whether a gig will be on or not  - or just the not knowing will not have helped.

Foos only had a few more gigs to go so its understandable