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[SOAD]

They're nowhere near one of the biggest metal bands of all time.

[2rare2die]

I thought the 2nd barrier was brought in ever since Pearl Jam headline because of their request as they are worried about another Roskilde tragedy.

[SOAD]

Plus I would argue if you can headline Download, Rock in Rio, Big Day Out, Roskilde, Nova Rock, Ozzfest, Hurricane Festival etc you have to be one of the biggest bands around let alone one of the biggest metal bands... it's not like many bands get to headline major festivals the world over.

Edited January 8, 2013 by SOAD

[Mouseboy11]

From videos I think they look like they've still got it live, although not as good as they were.

[DL50]

I definitely think they are big enough, only played once in the UK since reforming and as people have said they headlined all over Europe last tour

[thewayiam]

Yeah but they are generally bands who are bigger on mainland Europe like Placebo who quite comfortably have headlined a fair few mainland festivals.

Fair enough but as far as Limp Bizkit go they were a genuine headline band in their prime.. they just haven't really maintained the interest that other nu metal bands have been able to.

[zahidf]

SOAD subbed to Metallica just after Toxicity, easily their commercial peak.

I don't think they'd sell enough day tickets for Melvin to book them for reading, especially since he is having trouble selling it out nowadays. A Sabbath/SOAD evening though would definitely get in any wavering metal fans for day tickets.

[RichieSpenno]

A weird one. I can see them either headlining OR subbing...neither would surprise me.

Plus I'd LOVE to see them again!

[SOAD]

SOAD subbed to Metallica just after Toxicity, easily their commercial peak.

I don't think they'd sell enough day tickets for Melvin to book them for reading, especially since he is having trouble selling it out nowadays. A Sabbath/SOAD evening though would definitely get in any wavering metal fans for day tickets.

[DL50]

Coheadlining (sort of) like Pulp and the Strokes or was that just a one off?

Would work well with Deftones 3rd

[SOAD]

Coheadlining (sort of) like Pulp and the Strokes or was that just a one off?

Would work well with Deftones 3rd

[kev1664]

SOAD subbed to Metallica just after Toxicity, easily their commercial peak.

I don't think they'd sell enough day tickets for Melvin to book them for reading, especially since he is having trouble selling it out nowadays. A Sabbath/SOAD evening though would definitely get in any wavering metal fans for day tickets.

[eFestivals]

Was that at Reading or Leeds? Seem to remember them having to stop their set for a while at Leeds because of the front barriers collapsing, but they've since moved the main stage (due to the chaos in '09) and put in the second barrier in place, so they may feel the safety issues have been addressed.

I was talking about Reading, but from what you've posted it sounds like Leeds had a similar problem (the front barriers moved at Reading, rather than collapsed).

While the extra barriers since then should have lessened any risk, it defo sounds from your post that they're a bigger risk than just about every other band that could be mentioned.

As I said, if the incident at Reading had been just a little bit more, that would have been a defining bad moment for Reading and Melvin, so I don't think he'd do it without giving it a lot of thought. Who wants to take the risk?

[jump]

I can't see R&L in the middle of rebranding itself have an Ozzfest day and they didn't even bother with that trick at Download last year.

[zahidf]

At a time where they were readily available to see.

Edited January 8, 2013 by zahidf

[SOAD]

I can't see R&L in the middle of rebranding itself have an Ozzfest day and they didn't even bother with that trick at Download last year.

[thetime]

I was talking about Reading, but from what you've posted it sounds like Leeds had a similar problem (the front barriers moved at Reading, rather than collapsed).

While the extra barriers since then should have lessened any risk, it defo sounds from your post that they're a bigger risk than just about every other band that could be mentioned.

As I said, if the incident at Reading had been just a little bit more, that would have been a defining bad moment for Reading and Melvin, so I don't think he'd do it without giving it a lot of thought. Who wants to take the risk?

[mrtourette]

Haven't they sold like 12 million copies worldwide of Toxicity alone? Think that has to put them up with some of the biggest metal bands on its own... certainly one of the biggest modern metal bands.

Edited January 8, 2013 by mrtourette

[jump]

Was sort of shocked they didn't do an Ozzfest day last year... although the lineup was effectively an Ozzfest lineup anyway but then most Download days could fit as an Ozzfest day. Was just the addition of BLS that made it feel particularly like an Ozzfest style day after the Sabbath announcement, and there is no way BLS would do Reading.

[eFestivals]

I dont understand how the band can be blamed for that though.

I'm not blaming the band, but the facts get to show they're a band that comes with bigger risks than other bands.

It would be more than a little dumb for any promoter to ignore that risk. Specifically for Melvin, that might be more of a risk than he wants to take, because he's now very 'establishment' with roles like Wembley Stadium, plus he's at the tail end of an un-blighted career. Risks tend to be taken more by the young.

I'm not saying with any certainty that Melvin would avoid them for those reasons, but I wouldn't be surprised if he did.

[2rare2die]

I was talking about Reading, but from what you've posted it sounds like Leeds had a similar problem (the front barriers moved at Reading, rather than collapsed).

While the extra barriers since then should have lessened any risk, it defo sounds from your post that they're a bigger risk than just about every other band that could be mentioned.

As I said, if the incident at Reading had been just a little bit more, that would have been a defining bad moment for Reading and Melvin, so I don't think he'd do it without giving it a lot of thought. Who wants to take the risk?

[SOAD]

They're in a completely different league to the likes of AC/DC, Metallica, Sabbath, etc. A million miles away, comparative one-hit wonders. If you want to change it to 'modern' metal then that's something completely different and depends on how you define 'modern' and 'metal'. I wouldn't even consider them any bigger than Linkin Park or Slipknot.

Edited January 8, 2013 by SOAD

[thetime]

I've tried looking up what happened at Reading but i can't find anything, all it brings up is the incident at Leeds (and that has Melvin Benn saying that the barrier didn't collapse, it just moved and trapped a girls foot). The reason they moved the stage in '10 was because of the crushing during The Prodigy the year before, but I doubt they'd refuse to book them again due to safety concerns, and the hype that surrounds SOAD nowadays is far less than it was in '06, so while it may be in his mind, I don't think that it would put him off ever booking SOAD again.

[mrtourette]

They are bigger than Slipknot imo... certainly on a world wide scale anyway... they played above them at Big Day Out and would say they are fairly comparable in the UK... I would say the only metal bands bigger than them off the top of my head are Black Sabbath, Iron Maiden, Metallica, AC/DC (barely active), Ozzy Osbourne (solo), Linkin Park (although had a much smaller crowd at Download than SOAD), Guns N Roses, Kiss (but not in the UK), Led Zeppelin (not active), Van Halen (certainly not in the UK) and Rage Against the Machine (barely active)... so that still puts them way up there I would say... I would say that puts them up there with the biggest metal bands personally... it's like you're making out they are tiny... not many bands headline fests and SOAD do... and have done on two major tours now and it looks to be carrying on into a third... at a guess they will prob headline Pukklepop, Lowlands, maybe Highfield festival and Rock En Seine also.

Edited January 8, 2013 by mrtourette

[2rare2die]

I was at the set and if memory serves me right they halted the set to reinforce the barrier.

I dont remember the crush being that bad to be honest, ive been in alot worse.