Football 2012-2013

[The Nal]

And meanwhile they're surrounded by fit young men of their dreams. Imagine yourself with the chance to change and play with a team of fit women - if everything else was equal, would you give that up to play with blokes? As I said, think about it!

[eFestivals]

Anyway, my point was that gay insults are used against everyone by young lads, regardless of sexuality. May scare a lot of gay blokes off the game.

I don't think the effect would be as great as you're thinking. It's not like they're suddenly thrown into an environment like that, it's their constant environment (as it is for everyone else).

That 'banter' would of course mean something a bit different to any gay lads, but as long as they're able to think of it as banter it doesn't really have to have much meaningful effect.

And as I pointed out, there's other parts which give them an extra attraction to football. From what I've heard said on TV that's a meaningful part for some (no different for why some blokes might watch women's footie), so there's no only just extra negatives for a gay bloke compared to a straight one.

Mine too, but playing sports in organised leagues etc? Not as much.

yeah, perhaps you're right, merely by the fact that gay culture has tended to be outside the mainstream.

But I don't really think that's a factor within academies as they'd already be within them, where I don't see being gay as a reason by itself for why they'd suddenly give it up.

[strummer77]

Jaap Stam has come out and said that Alex Ferguson actively encourages his players to dive.

Edit: Ignore that, seems to just be an old quote being re-hashed.

Edited October 11, 2012 by strummer77

[thetime]

Jaap Stam has come out and said that Alex Ferguson actively encourages his players to dive.

Edit: Ignore that, seems to just be an old quote being re-hashed.

[strummer77]

I would say alot if managers do, they cant just do it in matches and its got to hapoen in training.

[thetime]

I imagine it must. I'm sure Mourinho teaches the dark arts.

Edited October 11, 2012 by thetime

[TheGayTent]

Who was the liverpool mangager in 98 when owens admitted cheating?

[strummer77]

Yeah Houllier was about to come in for that absolutely mental double manager thing.

On the subject of players leaving legs in etc to con penalties, Pires was the worst I can remember. Always dragged a leg. Sure he dived to save a draw against somebody in their unbeaten season.

Edited October 11, 2012 by strummer77

[thetime]

Yeah Houllier was about to come in for that absolutely mental double manager thing.

On the subject of players leaving legs in etc to con penalties, Pires was the worst I can remember. Always dragged a leg. Sure he dived to save a draw against somebody in their unbeaten season.

[thetime]

Well thats liverpool down to the one striker as borini has broke his foot.

Well im sure you can depend on suarez to fuck it up. On a side note has there ever been a player, playing for a mediocre club like liverpool hated as much as suarez?

[strummer77]

How many pens have you seen when a player gas been fouled but stayed on his feet?..

Edited October 12, 2012 by strummer77

[strummer77]

Never heard of this guy but Bilel Mohsni needs to calm down a bit!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/19909927

[kaosmark2]

Mediocre team but big club traditionally so that makes a big difference. I can think of a few similar but two stand out in recent times who have managed to be hated even at clubs without as much of a name and even less quality in the sides...

Diouf is probably up there though for wherever he's been. He's just a massive bellend, not so much in a cheating sense, but it seems as a person. Out of all the players who played for us, I can't remember one of our ex-players who our own fans dislike more anyway.

Joey Barton. Never really played in a good side but he's loathed by many (if perhaps less recently than a year or two ago). His unremarkable stint at Newcastle must be down as his biggest club... His is an outstanding achievement.

[thetime]

Mediocre team but big club traditionally so that makes a big difference.

Edited October 12, 2012 by thetime

[pink_triangle]

To compare to some of those clubs is silly, Liverpool have been in 2 champions league finals in recent years. They have a huge worldwide fanbase and can attract players that anyone outside the top 5 cannot. Liverpool are a big club going through a difficult time, just like man u were in the 80s. Juventus went several years without winning league titles but they didn't change to a mediocre club, just as Milan are still a huge club, even though headed for difficult times.

[thetime]

To compare to some of those clubs is silly, Liverpool have been in 2 champions league finals in recent years. They have a huge worldwide fanbase and can attract players that anyone outside the top 5 cannot. Liverpool are a big club going through a difficult time, just like man u were in the 80s. Juventus went several years without winning league titles but they didn't change to a mediocre club, just as Milan are still a huge club, even though headed for difficult times.

Edited October 12, 2012 by thetime

[eFestivals]

What im saying if you take out livrpools mass success out of the equation in the 70s and 80s there not a big club.

erm ... as far as I'm aware they've won league titles in more decades than any other club has managed. So they can claim to be a constant 'big club' more than any other club could.

[thetime]

erm ... as far as I'm aware they've won league titles in more decades than any other club has managed. So they can claim to be a constant 'big club' more than any other club could.

[strummer77]

Well thats a debate me and my mates have been having for years, are liverpool a big club? Success wise maybe, take away there 2 decades of success I would say no.

There not as big as newcastle, wolves, man city, villa etc etc...no im not drunk.

As you like to say football tradition didnt start when the prem did, then again it didnt start in the mid 70s.

[strummer77]

Does success make you a big club though?

Edited October 12, 2012 by strummer77

[thetime]

I'm not sure how your argument even holds water unless the definition of not being a big club is ruining your childhood, in which case I will now claim United are tiny!

[kaosmark2]

Well thats a debate me and my mates have been having for years, are liverpool a big club? Success wise maybe, take away there 2 decades of success I would say no.

There not as big as newcastle, wolves, man city, villa etc etc...no im not drunk.

As you like to say football tradition didnt start when the prem did, then again it didnt start in the mid 70s.

[kaosmark2]

"Big club" to me goes off nothing other than level of support...

[The Nal]

Borini has broken his foot. Out for a while. So Suarez is their only striker. Madness.

They could've really done with Del Piero! But he said yesterday that he didn't go to Liverpool because of Heysel.

[strummer77]

Borini has broken his foot. Out for a while. So Suarez is their only striker. Madness.

They could've really done with Del Piero! But he said yesterday that he didn't go to Liverpool because of Heysel.

Edited October 12, 2012 by strummer77