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Climate Change


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6 hours ago, mattiloy said:


 

Also probs not true. Since we just import all our sh*t and then don’t count the emissions.

you don't think our population has increased?

Last few decades yes a lot of our heavy industry has closed down and it all comes from China, plus they closed the mines...good work Maggie.

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5 hours ago, steviewevie said:

you don't think our population has increased?

Last few decades yes a lot of our heavy industry has closed down and it all comes from China, plus they closed the mines...good work Maggie.

I'm pretty critical of the concept of "carbon neutral" and "carbon offsetting" but I would say that UK's carbon output has gone down despite the population going up.

 

And we are one of the few countries that burn zero coal now.

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3 hours ago, kaosmark2 said:

I'm pretty critical of the concept of "carbon neutral" and "carbon offsetting" but I would say that UK's carbon output has gone down despite the population going up.

 

And we are one of the few countries that burn zero coal now.

Based on our carbon emissions “in country” yes. But if we include our “hidden emissions” from all the manufacturers that produce our goods abroad, mainly China, then what?

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On 1/20/2025 at 7:41 PM, tarw said:

If AI really going to be used to try to solve the climate crisis surely it will just shut itself down to save the planet and hopefully take down all of the fossil fuel power plants before it does so. 
You can only live in hope 

So what Keanu does in the Day The Earth Stood Still reboot then - switch off all electronics.

 

Would make it harder to debate the merits of that as a policy on a place like this.

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14 hours ago, kerplunk said:

"Because China imports"

 

Truisms aren't always true.

 

Surprisingly imports from Europe and Rest of World (except USA) dwarf China imports.

 

 

 

Screenshot2025-02-01at17-34-57CarbonfootprintfortheUKandEnglandto2021-GOV_UK.png.f9a47d88f7673b433c3598cb23a1068d.png

https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/uks-carbon-footprint/carbon-footprint-for-the-uk-and-england-to-2019

Imports from China increased significantly since 90s though...and a lot of imports from all over the place will be full of by products or components that came from China....plus Europe/RoW is just everyone else apart from US/China so not surprising bigger...plus all that coal being used in China...etc etc. Interesting that drops in 2016 when we started following US in trading less with China I guess...and where more came from Europe...wonder how that is going now?

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3 hours ago, steviewevie said:

Imports from China increased significantly since 90s though...and a lot of imports from all over the place will be full of by products or components that came from China....plus Europe/RoW is just everyone else apart from US/China so not surprising bigger...plus all that coal being used in China...etc etc. Interesting that drops in 2016 when we started following US in trading less with China I guess...and where more came from Europe...wonder how that is going now?

 

Yeah I already figured components from other countries (not just China) would be in products from say europe etc but it has to be that way for accounting purposes or there would be double counting embedded in the global data. UK consumption to make products that are exported (some of which will doubtless contain imported components) aren't included for that reason

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