Climate Change

[charlierc]

I mean, when you see the data, it does look like we said the Paris Agreement will save us then didn't put the work in to actually make the damn thing work. The trend over the last few years of electing politicians that act like what was done so far is too much is also not going to help.

 

I dunno. Maybe it also doesn't help that, in my opinion, we've been too f**king lazy to find a fuel that can truly replace oil and gas at the scale that those fuels has allowed us to live for the past 50 or so years. I'm not sure electric cars are the answer as they still need power from somewhere, to say nothing of knowing whether it's practical to make electric planes or electric cargo ships.

[kerplunk]

4 minutes ago, charlierc said:

I mean, when you see the data, it does look like we said the Paris Agreement will save us then didn't put the work in to actually make the damn thing work. The trend over the last few years of electing politicians that act like what was done so far is too much is also not going to help.

 

I dunno. Maybe it also doesn't help that, in my opinion, we've been too f**king lazy to find a fuel that can truly replace oil and gas at the scale that those fuels has allowed us to live for the past 50 or so years. I'm not sure electric cars are the answer as they still need power from somewhere, to say nothing of knowing whether it's practical to make electric planes or electric cargo ships.

 

Hey google - the power required to fuel the UK's cars if they were all EVs?

 

If all cars in the UK were electric, the total amount of electricity needed would increase by around 20%. However, the National Grid suggests that peak demand would only increase by around 10%. This is because:

 

Charging habits: Electric car owners typically charge their vehicles overnight when demand for electricity is lowest.

Grid capacity: The UK has unused capacity when most people are sleeping

Refining oil: A significant amount of electricity is currently used to refine oil for petrol and diesel.

[steviewevie]

Just feels like need an alternative to car ownership, especially in cities. Too many of them, stuck in jams.

[kerplunk]

14 hours ago, Skip997 said:

You may well joke 

 

But actually we are 

 

Predictions are hard as they say - especially about the future. There's no 'actually' about it

 

These days it doesn't feel appropriate for old guys like me to be spreading a sense of hopelessness when it's the younger generations who'll be dealing with it long after i'm past caring.  I'd rather be instilling optimism and a can-do spirit.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[kerplunk]

3 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

Just feels like need an alternative to car ownership, especially in cities. Too many of them, stuck in jams.

 

Old news.

 

Squeezing the problem from multiple directions is allowed

[steviewevie]

3 minutes ago, kerplunk said:

 

Old news.

 

Squeezing the problem from multiple directions is allowed

yes, old news, but something getting progressively worse. There's no way we can keep to the same amount of cars on the road if all EV unless there's some serious change in the infrastructure that I'm not sure is coming that soon.

People need to get on their bikes.

[kerplunk]

Just now, steviewevie said:

yes, old news, but something getting progressively worse. There's no way we can keep to the same amount of cars on the road if all EV unless there's some serious change in the infrastructure that I'm not sure is coming that soon.

People need to get on their bikes.

 

 

Cars have been progressively inhibited and excluded from city streets for decades

[Skip997]

5 minutes ago, kerplunk said:

.  I'd rather be instilling optimism and a can-do spirit.

 

So would I, but seriously looking at: “positive feedback loops”, idiotic leadership e.g. Trump desperately wanting to increase fossil fuel production, India increasing such, a refusal by the majority to cut back on unnecessary consumption, an apparent increase in “climate sceptics”, the continuing obsession with growth, the continuing destruction of the rainforest, etc, etc.

 

I’ve studied this to degree level I have some idea 

[steviewevie]

11 minutes ago, kerplunk said:

 

Predictions are hard as they say - especially about the future. There's no 'actually' about it

 

These days it doesn't feel appropriate for old guys like me to be spreading a sense of hopelessness when it's the younger generations who'll be dealing with it long after i'm past caring.  I'd rather be instilling optimism and a can-do spirit.

 

 

 

 

 

 

No, not pessimism, or optimism, but realism. If we want a greener world, a less exploitative world, a fairer world, then us fat westerners (apart from the rich) are going to have to have less stuff and worse lives. That could be in the next Labour manifesto. 

[steviewevie]

3 minutes ago, kerplunk said:

 

 

Cars have been progressively inhibited and excluded from city streets for decades

There's still f**king loads of them.

[kerplunk]

2 minutes ago, Skip997 said:

So would I, but seriously looking at: “positive feedback loops”, idiotic leadership e.g. Trump desperately wanting to increase fossil fuel production, India increasing such, a refusal by the majority to cut back on unnecessary consumption, an apparent increase in “climate sceptics”, the continuing obsession with growth, the continuing destruction of the rainforest, etc, etc.

 

I’ve studied this to degree level I have some idea 

 

 

Right so do you *know* the equilibrium climate sensitivity to a doubling of CO2? You'll be the only one on the planet if you do

[lost]

If Elon's cyber Taxi works then you would think alot of people who only make longer trips 2 or 3 times a year will give up their cars as having no driver should reduce the cost massively.

 

[kerplunk]

4 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

There's still f**king loads of them.

 

Not much of a reply

[steviewevie]

5 minutes ago, lost said:

If Elon's cyber Taxi works then you would think alot of people who only make longer trips 2 or 3 times a year will give up their cars as having no driver should reduce the cost massively.

 

I'd have to boycott them, wait for the Chinese version.

[steviewevie]

3 minutes ago, kerplunk said:

 

Not much of a reply

err...ok....how about...despite restrictions there are still too many cars on the roads. I see it where I live, roads full of them...and they seem to be getting bigger. 

[kerplunk]

Just now, steviewevie said:

err...ok....how about...despite restrictions there are still too many cars on the roads.

 

A little better

[Skip997]

1 hour ago, steviewevie said:

No, not pessimism, or optimism, but realism. If we want a greener world, a less exploitative world, a fairer world, then us fat westerners (apart from the rich) are going to have to have less stuff and worse lives. That could be in the next Labour manifesto. 

Less stuff doesn’t equal a worse life. I’d argue it’s more like the opposite. Give it a try 

[steviewevie]

34 minutes ago, Skip997 said:

Less stuff doesn’t equal a worse life. I’d argue it’s more like the opposite. Give it a try 

Don't worry about me, I am a real tight arse.

As well as fewer holidays, less meat, less unsustainable food, fewer clothes purchases, more home cooking, fewer car journeys, colder, darker, grimmer, maybe there might need to be a bit less self righteousness too.

[GhostOfMaurice]

7 hours ago, steviewevie said:

watching some dystopian apocalyptic tv series?

 

Yes. It's called Desperate Housewives.

 

4 hours ago, Skip997 said:

And there you have it, a perfect illustration 

 

Don't get me wrong, I know everything's going to sh*t - I'm not a denier. But what can you do? You've got to keep going to work and earning just enough money for food and to pay the Netflix subscription. And what if you decided to take the plunge and dedicate your life to the cause? What impact would you actually have?

 

A lot of people act very environmentally friendly to keep up appearances, or to make themselves feel better. But it's not actually going to do anything. There's got to be a monumental worldwide shift, which would require cooperation. We can all barely get through the day without bombing each other ffs!

[Skip997]

44 minutes ago, GhostOfMaurice said:

 

Yes. It's called Desperate Housewives.

 

 

Don't get me wrong, I know everything's going to sh*t - I'm not a denier. But what can you do? You've got to keep going to work and earning just enough money for food and to pay the Netflix subscription. And what if you decided to take the plunge and dedicate your life to the cause? What impact would you actually have?

 

A lot of people act very environmentally friendly to keep up appearances, or to make themselves feel better. But it's not actually going to do anything. There's got to be a monumental worldwide shift, which would require cooperation. We can all barely get through the day without bombing each other ffs!

You’re absolutely spot on, we can no longer make any difference as individuals. The whole system has to change, in fact it has to collapse and be rebuilt in a properly sustainable and equitable way. Ain’t going to happen, those in control are too interested in money 

[Crazyfool01]

17 minutes ago, Skip997 said:

You’re absolutely spot on, we can no longer make any difference as individuals. The whole system has to change, in fact it has to collapse and be rebuilt in a properly sustainable and equitable way. Ain’t going to happen, those in control are too interested in money 

damn so my new hybrid car makes no difference .... im asking for a refund 

[steviewevie]

So...nothing we can do then.

Think I'll open a beer and get netflix on.

[Skip997]

41 minutes ago, Crazyfool01 said:

damn so my new hybrid car makes no difference .... im asking for a refund 

I was a tad harsh. I applaud people who are aware and make changes, but I really don’t have any faith that enough are aware/willing. 

[Crazyfool01]

1 minute ago, Skip997 said:

I was a tad harsh. I applaud people who are aware and make changes, but I really don’t have any faith that enough are aware/willing. 

id say you are probably right but it shouldn't mean that anyone who can shouldn't make some effort , difference might be negligible but if its like a festival tidyup you dont want to be the one that leaves the discarded tent if everyone else has tidied up ... although its not quite as obvious as that analogy sadly 

[steviewevie]

10 minutes ago, Crazyfool01 said:

id say you are probably right but it shouldn't mean that anyone who can shouldn't make some effort , difference might be negligible but if its like a festival tidyup you dont want to be the one that leaves the discarded tent if everyone else has tidied up ... although its not quite as obvious as that analogy sadly 

at same time if everyone else is leaving their tents why bother with the whole packing up thing when you know f**k it rock'n'roll.