Climate Change

[steviewevie]

I think tech more than sacrifice will do a lot of the heavy lifting...along with pressure on states to hit various milestones from COP despite that looking a bit forlorn at the moment.

[Crazyfool01]

3 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

at same time if everyone else is leaving their tents why bother with the whole packing up thing when you know f**k it rock'n'roll.

fortunately its much much better than even 10 years ago ... kind of a herd thing 

[Crazyfool01]

and before Shambla gets mentioned , Glastonbury isnt near that yet but doesnt mean we shouldn't try 

[kerplunk]

1 hour ago, Skip997 said:

You’re absolutely spot on, we can no longer make any difference as individuals. The whole system has to change, in fact it has to collapse and be rebuilt in a properly sustainable and equitable way. Ain’t going to happen, those in control are too interested in money 

 

In fact it has to collapse and be rebuilt...

 

Which would mean chaos and carnage in the interim.

 

You're right that won't happen - hopefully

[steviewevie]

26 minutes ago, kerplunk said:

 

In fact it has to collapse and be rebuilt...

 

Which would mean chaos and carnage in the interim.

 

You're right that won't happen - hopefully

make a good netflix series though.

[stuie]

2 hours ago, Crazyfool01 said:

damn so my new hybrid car makes no difference .... im asking for a refund 

 

Giving up the car would make more difference!  I'm all for positive changes but I don't think we should be told what they should be.  For example, I'm not talking about you, it's great having an electric or hybrid car but if you go on 3 holidays by plane per year, that negates any positive effect so banning new petrol/diesel vehicles is stupid. 

[Crazyfool01]

Just now, stuie said:

 

Giving up the car would make more difference!  I'm all for positive changes but I don't think we should be told what they should be.  For example, I'm not talking about you, it's great having an electric or hybrid car but if you go on 3 holidays by plane per year, that negates any positive effect so banning new petrol/diesel vehicles is stupid. 

last flight was approx 10 years ago ..... thought I was doing ok until someone put up a calculator thing on here somewhere .. the way I see it is if I try to improve in small steps ... looking at insulating and home improvements next . everyone can take small steps .... some things are much harder though 

[GhostOfMaurice]

1 hour ago, steviewevie said:

So...nothing we can do then.

Think I'll open a beer and get netflix on.

 

But that's pretty good as far as your carbon footprint is concerned, especially if it's a local beer. Better than driving across the country to a rally.

 

2 hours ago, Crazyfool01 said:

damn so my new hybrid car makes no difference .... im asking for a refund 

 

"New car" is where the plan fails somewhat. Sure, it emits less, but the whole production of it has a carbon footprint. In some cases I'm sure you'd be better off getting a small secondhand petrol car.

[Crazyfool01]

3 minutes ago, GhostOfMaurice said:

 

But that's pretty good as far as your carbon footprint is concerned, especially if it's a local beer. Better than driving across the country to a rally.

 

 

"New car" is where the plan fails somewhat. Sure, it emits less, but the whole production of it has a carbon footprint. In some cases I'm sure you'd be better off getting a small secondhand petrol car.

new to me .... its 3 years old and my old one did 20 years 

Edited January 11, 2025 by Crazyfool01

[steviewevie]

12 minutes ago, GhostOfMaurice said:

But that's pretty good as far as your carbon footprint is concerned, especially if it's a local beer. Better than driving across the country to a rally.

 

but not as good as watching nothing in the dark and drinking my own piss?

[steviewevie]

12 minutes ago, Crazyfool01 said:

new to me .... its 3 years old and my old one did 20 years 

Yeah, that sounds good....god, way too much guilt tripping.

Worse thing I do is having a really badly insulated house...flipping freezing in here the last week despite having the heating on all day.

[GhostOfMaurice]

32 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

but not as good as watching nothing in the dark and drinking my own piss?

 

Well if you don't want to make an effort....

 

The best you can do is save yourself some money by being more energy efficient. At least you'll see some benefits from a personal standpoint.

[steviewevie]

actually the worst thing I have done is producing another carbon spewing monster into the world, and also having a different species carbon spewing monster as a pet the little carnivorous bastard.

We need a proper wipeout. 

I'll think on that whilst continuing on my netflix journey.

[Skip997]

2 hours ago, stuie said:

 

Giving up the car would make more difference!  I'm all for positive changes but I don't think we should be told what they should be.  For example, I'm not talking about you, it's great having an electric or hybrid car but if you go on 3 holidays by plane per year, that negates any positive effect so banning new petrol/diesel vehicles is stupid. 

It’s tricky. If diesel was made unavailable I be completely f**ked, wouldn’t be able to move my home and transport 

[stuie]

12 minutes ago, Skip997 said:

It’s tricky. If diesel was made unavailable I be completely f**ked, wouldn’t be able to move my home and transport 

 

Yeah, me too.  My car and my camper would be resigned to the scrap heap.  At the same time, no limits on air miles so people could fly several times a month. Or have a private plane. Or have 6 children. 

 

Can we choose how to use our CO2 emissions? 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[steviewevie]

Ok...so people should give up things and make sacrifices except for that particular thing that affects me?

[lost]

I'm like that with a heat pump. I know its the coldest its been for 15 years but people are reporting they can't get the house above 15c - 18c.

[philipsteak]

23 hours ago, lost said:

I'm like that with a heat pump. I know its the coldest its been for 15 years but people are reporting they can't get the house above 15c - 18c.

 

Are we/they just doing something wrong somehow?

I lived in a house in New Zealand 15 years ago that had a heat pump. In Queenstown, a ski resort, so very cold in the winter. And it worked fine from what I can remember. You'd hope things would've improved quite a bit in 15 years, too

[steviewevie]

well we have gas central heating and it barely ever reaches the heady heights of 18C in the winter.

[kerplunk]

1 hour ago, steviewevie said:

well we have gas central heating and it barely ever reaches the heady heights of 18C in the winter.

 

 

Must be a very leaky house - or a poor system. Do your rads get hot?

 

One of the cheapest and most effective things you can do is loft insulation.

 

I've steadily made improvements over the years (1980s 3 bed semi)

 

Better loft insulation (but not perfect because I've boarded out the central third for storage space)

Fitted some insulation to the loft hatch last year

Double glazing was done about 15yrs ago

Blocked up the air bricks.

Just had new front/back doors to replace the original poorly sealed single glazed doors.

 

I've had the heating on all day recently (off overnight). Thermostat set to 19.5C. My smart meter tells me last week cost me £23.60 - the highest of the winter so far. In the cold weather last week the house cooled to a little under 16C overnight

 

To replace the GCH with ASHP I'd need to replace the pipework to the rads with larger diameter because I have microbore pipes at the minute which won't work well for a high flow system

Edited January 13, 2025 by kerplunk

[steviewevie]

42 minutes ago, kerplunk said:

 

 

Must be a very leaky house - or a poor system. Do your rads get hot?

 

One of the cheapest and most effective things you can do is loft insulation.

 

I've steadily made improvements over the years (1980s 3 bed semi)

 

Better loft insulation (but not perfect because I've boarded out the central third for storage space)

Fitted some insulation to the loft hatch last year

Double glazing was done about 15yrs ago

Blocked up the air bricks.

Just had new front/back doors to replace the original poorly sealed single glazed doors.

 

I've had the heating on all day recently (off overnight). Thermostat set to 19.5C. My smart meter tells me last week cost me £23.60 - the highest of the winter so far. In the cold weather last week the house cooled to a little under 16C overnight

 

To replace the GCH with ASHP I'd need to replace the pipework to the rads with larger diameter because I have microbore pipes at the minute which won't work well for a high flow system

Well the fact I have thermostat set to max 17C is probably part of the reason, although didn't get above 16 the last week during the cold snap. Yes, have a leaky house, old original sash windows at front, crap old wooden double glazing at back, floorboards with big gaps, gaps around doors, loft insulation probably needs replacing but is under boarding and a load of crap...although all that crap has got to help. It is a cold house though, but we're all kind of used to it...and the missus who feels the cold more wears about a hundred layers. We don't have a smart meter, holding out...but we are on ecotricty so basically saving the planet.

Edited January 13, 2025 by steviewevie

[kerplunk]

14 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

Well the fact I have thermostat set to max 17C is probably part of the reason

 

I would assign a very high probability to that as a causal factor

 

 

[kerplunk]

Meanwhile in China...

 

[steviewevie]

US going to build a load more gas fired power stations to fuel AI boom. Progress.

 

[GhostOfMaurice]

But then AI will figure out how to save the world for us, so it's a good trade.